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Mormons believe that Jewish people will all be converted in one instant when the Mormon Jesus comes back to earth.
Because the Mormon Church continues to ignore the rights of the Jewish people and baptize their dead in Mormon Temples, I have a topic for those of the Jewish faith who speak out against this practice.
| Anger Over "Baptism" Of Simon Wiesenthal |
Wednesday, Dec 20, 2006, at 11:24 AM
Original Author(s): Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Topic: JUDAISM -Link To MC Article-
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| I’ve written previously (here and here) about the matter of posthumous baptism of Jews – ordinary individuals as well as Holocaust victims – and the continued violations of the Mormon-Jewish Agreement. |
Is there a reader of Tracing the Tribe who does not know about famed Nazi hunter and Jewish Holocaust survivor Simon Wiesenthal? The Simon Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, is an important human rights organization named in his honor.
Born on December 31, 1908 in Buczacz (then Austria-Hungary or Galicia, now in Lvov Oblast, Ukraine), Wiesenthal died in Vienna, at age 96, on September 20, 2005.
Dedicated researcher Helen Radkey, who may be described as a thorn in the Mormon side on this issue, just discovered that Wiesenthal is now included in the International Genealogical Index (IGI), searchable online at Family Search. This is a database of individuals who have had posthumous church ordinances performed by proxy for them, including baptisms, sealings and other rituals.
"I have been checking the IGI since September, a year since his death, and knew that his name would appear and it did. Mormons are supposed to wait a year before performing ordinances for deceased parties," adds Radkey, who was preparing a long report on the Mormon-Jewish Agreement scandal when Wiesenthal's entry appeared around December 11, 2006.
This is not only a violation of the 1995 agreement between Mormons and Jews, claims Radkey, “because Wiesenthal would not have direct family ties with any Mormon, but it is an appalling indignity towards him, his family; the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Jewish Holocaust survivors and the memory of all Jewish Holocaust victims.”
Wiesenthal was a Nazi death camp survivor, and he and his wife Cyla lost 89 family members. He spent his life fighting anti-Semitism and prejudice, documenting the Holocaust’s crimes and hunting down perpetrators still at large.
To see the Wiesenthal IGI entry, click here.
Radkey adds, “Schelly, please be aware that Simon Wiesenthal's name will probably immediately disappear from the IGI once the Mormons find out his name is in that database. So if you tell readers to look for him under Family Search, this may only be for a very limited time."
“What the LDS Church is doing to Simon Wiesenthal should not be tolerated,” stresses Radkey, “and even if Mormons decide to hastily remove Wiesenthal's name from the part of the IGI database that is visible to the public, they will forever keep private records of any LDS proxy temple rites that he may have already been subjected to.”
Radkey’s report will not appear for at least a month. Included will be reports on her extensive research since 1999, including findings on Jewish Holocaust victims of Rome, Italy, who are also listed in the IGI.
Here's the Weisenthal Center's outraged response, which JTA received an early copy of:
SWC CALLS ON MORMON CHURCH TO IMMEDIATELY REMOVE SIMON WIESENTHAL’S NAME FROM DATABASE
The Simon Wiesenthal Center called on the Mormon Church to immediately remove Simon Wiesenthal from its online International Genealogical Index (IGI), which is the Mormon database of posthumous ordinances.
“We are astounded and dismayed that after assurances and promises by the Mormon Church that Mr. Wiesenthal's life and memory, along with so many other Jews, would be trampled and disregarded,” said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Wiesenthal Center’s founder and dean.
“Simon Wiesenthal was one of the great Jews in the post-Holocaust period. He proudly lived as a Jew, died as a Jew, demanded justice for the millions of the victims of the Holocaust, and, at his request was buried in the State of Israel. It is sacrilegious for the Mormon faith to desecrate his memory by suggesting that Jews on their own are not worthy enough to receive G-ds’ eternal blessing, “added Rabbi Hier.
“We therefore urge the Church to remove his name and the names of all other Holocaust victims immediately,” Hier concluded.
| Jewish Officialdom Is Up In Arms, The Mormon Church Is On The Defensive And Frankly I Don't Give A Damn. |
Thursday, Dec 21, 2006, at 07:41 AM
Original Author(s): Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
Topic: JUDAISM -Link To MC Article-
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| Jewish officialdom is up in arms, the Mormon Church is on the defensive and frankly I don't give a damn. I refer of course to the controversial Mormon practice of baptizing deceased non-Mormons into their faith. In 1995, the Mormon Church agreed to stop posthumously baptizing dead Jews. But according to Ernest Michel, a former executive vice president of UJA-Federation of New York who helped broker the 1995 agreement, the church has rebuffed attempts to remove Jewish names from its database of 400 million and has violated the agreement.
That may be so. But what a waste of time for everybody involved. It seems incredible that at a time when more Jewish civilians are dying that at any time since the Holocaust, and with the Jewish community in general and the state of Israel in particular needing all the allies they can get, we would waste our time with such trivialities.
I could not care less if the Mormons baptize me after I'm dead. It won't affect me. I'll always be a Jew, in this life and the next. If this is part of Mormon practice and belief, and they do it in the privacy of their own ritual, and it doesn't affect me in the slightest, why should I care? People's beliefs are their own business. It's how they treat others that is everyone's business. What I care about is how much the Mormons support Israel today, not what they do with Jewish souls in what they regard as the afterlife. Far from being my sentiment alone, this is a pivotal Jewish teaching: It is the action (and not dogma) which is most important.
In my first few years as rabbi at Oxford University, I befriended a doctoral student by the name of Michael Taft Benson, whose grandfather, Ezra Taft Benson, was president and prophet of the Mormon Church at the time. Not only did Mike become and remain one of my dearest friends, he served as vice president of my L'Chaim Society and regularly brought groups of hundreds of Mormon students to our Sabbath dinners to learn more about Judaism. A great lover of Israel who has visited there more than 10 times, Mike chose to write his doctoral thesis on Harry Truman's support for the creation of the Jewish state. Through Mike, I was granted a meeting with the current president and prophet of the Mormon Church, Gordon B. Hinckley, who is Mike's grandfather-in-law. We spoke about Israel, his admiration for the Jewish people, and the Mormon dedication to Israel's prosperity and survival. I am regularly invited to address Mormon audiences in Utah who thirst for knowledge of all things Jewish and who treat me like a wiseelder brother. Mike even arranged for me to launch my book "Judaism for Everyone" at the University of Utah, and he and I are currently planning a Jewish studies center for Snow College, where Mike serves as president. After meeting with Jonathan Pollard at federal prison in Butner, N.C., it was Mike whom I called to ask for his support in meeting the two Utah senators on Pollard's behalf. He quickly arranged for me and Esther Pollard to meet with Sens. Hatch and Bennett of Utah, who received us most graciously.
The Mormons are our brothers; the Christians are our kin. So long as they support and defend the Jewish people through their current persecution, that will always be so, whatever their beliefs, and we owe them our gratitude.
| What Do Israeli Jews Think Of Mormons? Not Much! Here Are Some Of Their Comments |
Monday, Sep 6, 2010, at 09:19 AM
Original Author(s): Fetal Deity
Topic: JUDAISM -Link To MC Article-
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The above article is from a popular on-line Israeli newspaper; it addresses the recent "agreement" between Jews and Mormons over the temple proxy-baptism dispute.
What's more interesting are the comments by Israeli Jews and others around the world, chiming in about their perception of Mormons and their desire to convert all humanity--the dead as well as the living. Among the Jews already "gathered to Israel," there doesn't seem to be much interest in being spiritually gathered into Mormonism--as the Book of Mormon prophesies for the Last Days--the Jewish "stiffneckedness" has not changed. "The Gospel" has UTTERLY FAILED its most important mission, as prioritized by Joseph Smith. (Yea!)
Comments quoted below can be found in full at:
(Quotes have not been edited for spelling, grammar or punctuation.)
1. Larry, Los Angeles (09.03.10)
"Christians have lied for years and the Mormons who the Christians don't consider Christians, are even worse, not only do they lie to themselves, they lie to others, and worse, they believe the lies!!! Let them rot in hell like the rest of the 'good' Christians who persecuted Jews."
2. Jacob Erickson, Holon, Israel (09.03.10)
"Fine if the souls of the departed can accept or reject the proxy baptism then they can do them all the want. And they only should change the religion in their database when they get a response from the soul that is quantifiable as a response by the rabbinical council that the soul has accepted the proxy baptism. That can be the rule."
3. Paqid Yirmeyahu, Ra'anana, Israel (09.03.10)
"Do you fail to grasp the problem? The problem has nothing whatsoever to do with whether there's any validity to proxy baptisms on deceased Jews. Jews who believe Torah know it has no validity. Jews who disbelieve the NT and Mormon books find it a good laugh. What goyim think they're doing in the afterlife is harmless.
"The problem, the threat and the danger is with any religion or group of people who feel they have a right to dictate and impose religion on Jews. That problem is in this life, not the next. Those who feel they have the right to dictate religion to Jews in the afterlife most certainly feel they have the right to dictate religion to Jews in this life; they just lack the power to impose and enforce it at the moment. That could change. And there is the danger. They must be stopped."
5. observer (09.03.10)
"Polygamy allowed, wine prohibited they don't have the problem of alcohol addiction or adultery as Jews have. Then, why shouldn't be Jews not jealous of?"
6. jason white, afula, israel (09.03.10)
"I found a lot of relatives of mine listed on the mormon data base. They were born Jews,lived their lives as Jews and died as Jews. They all died in the U.S. after the Holocaust. None of them would study anything, but the Jewish Bible or Talmud. In the next world Jews will not study other religions. We have our own great, real religion.
"But what happens 100 or more years in the future? A great grandchild or great great grandchild wants to trace his or her roots. He or she will see that all relatives that passed on were listed as mormons. This is an insult to Jews and others. We have our own religions and do not need to be "baptized" as heathen mormons!"
7. mike, israel (formerly usa)(09.03.10)
"our lives need no foreign dictators!!"
9. Ray, Germany (09.03.10)
"If anything you mormos are jealous of the jews that's why you baptize individuals without consent nor interest. Stick to your own kind and keep on stealing the works of the jewish prophets, as christains have always done, to justify the insane religion. Cheers!"
10. jason white, afula, israel (09.03.10)
"At least we do not practice poligamy and have child brides also."
13. Xena (09.03.10)
"Spare us the kindness. What the sword, fire, pogroms, gas chambers, forced conversion and assimilation have not managed to do, the Mormons want to do by proxy baptism blot out the Jewish religion? This will never happen. What a strange religion Mormonism is."
15. M. Hartley, Atlanta, US (09.03.10)
"Some sources such as Howshua Amariel and various researchers assert that DNA evidence, linguistic research, and other research indicates links between the Cherokee Nation and the Jewish people.
"Maybe those Mormons, in some respects, aren't too far off. I just wish they'd knock on my door a little later than 7:30 on Saturday morning....."
16. Reformedegyptian, Jerusalem Israel (09.03.10)
"Beware Mormon Promises. As one of many who have had close contact with Mormon leaders invoved in tourism here we can attest that they can be both respectable and at the same time not adverse at taking morally dubvious 'short cuts'for their end purposes which is make no doubt about is all about control and power.Without making this into an anti Mormon rant most ordinary members are respectable and law abiding their leaders on the other hand can be another story and many Mormons themselves are aware of this."
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