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  WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2
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Women in Mormonism are not allowed to hold any priesthood power or major authority positions in the Mormon Church, excluding Relief Society and lower Church callings. Mormon women are often thought of as second class citizens in Mormonism. Men in Mormonism make all of the desicions from the top hiearchy of the LDS Church from the Prophet down to the Bishops. Even though women are allowed to run the Relief Society, they must still be responsible to men. All decisions are made by men regardless.
My Thoughts Of Raising Girls In The Church
Thursday, Oct 5, 2006, at 08:16 AM
Original Author(s): Blueadept
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I'm a remarried nevermo married to my TBM wife who was also previously married and we are trying to raise our girls to be the best they can be. In investigating TSCC when we were 1st married, the history of the church and Joseph Smith's character made the possibility of converting to Mormonism a ridiculous idea for myself and my 2 girls, but I've been supportive of my wife being a member of TSCC with her 4 girls since the church seemed to endorse the importance of family values and I didn't see any particular issues about it. The comments made in this last GC by GBH himself has made me reconsider my thoughts about where the LDS church believes the role of women in encouraging them to be the best they can be.

When my wife and I first got together, I was an assistant Girl Scout leader at the time. I know this is rare for a male to hold that position, but as an Eagle Scout I felt obligated to help out and be involved in my girls upbringing. I had mentioned to a few other Girl Scout leaders that I was dating a Mormon and there was some definite negative feelings shared with me.

The main concern, in their opinion, was that the LDS church didn't support Girl Scouts (but does support Boy Scouts) because they didn't want girls to be independent, be leaders, and be the best they could be. Now I realize that Mormons catch a lot of flack about misunderstandings on particular issues. Women's image in the church is one of those issues. I went onto some other bulletin boards to ask about why Girl Scout troops were not supported while Boy Scouts were. The explanation that was given to me was that the LDS church was able to incorporate the BSA program(through the help of that organization) into its YM program. There apparently was some fundamental problem (I was told it was something in their scout oath) of why they couldn't do the same for their girls and the girl scout program. So the church developed an achievements program for the girls.

From my own analysis, I could see where the Girl Scout leaders had their point of view, but I could see where the TSCC could do what it felt was best in raising their youth. I just thought it was amusing that their achievement program seemed to be a lot of crafts and home making skills. I just chalked it up that I had an outsider's viewpoint. My wife has the viewpoint that women were put up on pedestals in the church and were not 2nd class citizens. My wife and I have differing viewpoints, what a shock. NOT!!!! I've heard of how girls were drilled in wanting a Temple marriage and to be support for their would be husbands. I could have made issues about this, but trying to have kids realize the importance of trying to make a marriage work, I didn't totally disagree with (except in the case of abuse). I was willing to drop it.

This particular issue has raised its ugly head once again and it is because of Gordon B. Hinkley's comments made in General Conference during Priesthood session. When a religious leader mentions that they have a "grave concern," as a Catholic I'm thinking this is some type of mortal sin if it's not addressed. His concern was that more girls were getting their diplomas than boys. He questioned the young priesthood holders there by asking "Do you want to marry someone who is smarter than you?"

As a parent raising a bunch of girls, I kept asking myself 'this is a grave concern?' My opinion of the LDS church was already on the edge in trying not to simply say that it is a chauvinist organization. I was trying to have the opinion that there was no harm in raising my daughters in this faith that supposively endorsed family values. With the prophet's comments it's obvious that the LDS have an idea of what a woman's role in the church should be. They just won't admit it.

The purpose of the parent is to raise our children in the best way to have good morals and ethics. If my girls want to get a college education and be able to support themselves before making me a grandparent, I have no problem with that. Comments like the one Hinkley made helps support the thought that the LDS church wants to keep their women barefoot and pregnant. Sorry, I think I can do better than that while instilling in my girls good morals and ethics.

I'm hoping to be able to show my wife what the opinion of her prophet really is, that's a touchy subject when she thinks I'm going to ridicule something of the LDS church. I guess I will instill in all my girls that it's alright to get your college education if that's what they want.

IMO, it should be considered harmful to raise girls in the LDS church.

Food for thought.
Thoughts On Women And LDS Theology
Tuesday, Oct 10, 2006, at 06:22 AM
Original Author(s): Skeptical
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I know, enough has been stated on the debate, but I need to add to it. Last Saturday night, my wife and I gazed up to the stars and conversed. One of the topics which came up was creationism. I never believed in Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden story, even as a believing Mormon. For me, evolution not only seemed plausible, it was logical. So I considered the whole creation story and an allegorical myth to help us understand life, good and evil, consequences and marriage better.

But even then, this method of rationalizing caused me problems. For example, even in the creation story contained in the Pearl of Great Price Book of Moses and in the temple endowment creation story, Eve is created as an after thought, never a co-creation or primary creation of the Gods.

In Mormonism, God is presented as a caring Father who together with a wife, created the Spirits of all mankind. This Motherly-God person is a quiet player in the creation story of Mormonism. However, Eve is not. So, if God the Father really understood that man and woman were equal in roles and absolutely necessary for one another’s eternal design, why was Eve an afterthought?

Moses, Chapter 3, verses 18-22:
18 And I, the Lord God, said unto mine Only Begotten, that it was not good that the man should be alone; wherefore, I will make an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground I, the Lord God, formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and commanded that they should come unto Adam, to see what he would call them; and they were also living souls; for I, God, breathed into them the breath of life, and commanded that whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that should be the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but as for Adam, there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And I, the Lord God, caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and he slept, and I took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh in the stead thereof;
22 And the rib which I, the Lord God, had taken from man, made I a woman, and brought her unto the man.
However, Gordon Hinckley tells women that they are not Second Class Citizens during the 2006 October General Relief Society Meeting:
“Now, my dear sisters, just a word in conclusion. I remind you that you are not second-class citizens in the kingdom of God. You are His divine creation.”
Even LDS canonized scripture portray God as making women second class citizens from their creation. No wonder Gordon Hinckley must feel the need to remind them otherwise.
Ladies, Were You Kicked Out Of Young Womens At 18?
Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006, at 12:05 PM
Original Author(s): Respionage
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
happened to be Laurel president at the time of my 18th birthday. I turned 18 in December of my senior year of high school, and while the birthday was certainly exciting, I knew I had MUCH more in common with the other high-schoolers in YW than with the white-haired crafters in RS. It never occured to me that I would be REQUIRED to quit YW and go to RS instead, simply because I turned 18.

But on my 18th birthday the bish called me into his office to explain how sorry he was that they weren't having any luck finding a new Laurel pres, and could I please be patient while they tried. Shocked at the very thought they wouldn't just let me (and ALL the girls) stay in YW until I graduated high school I just stammered and left his office.

It took them a couple of months to replace me, and then they did force me to go to RS.

I guess what irritates me now (and irritated me then, too) is that instead of seeing me as I actually WAS-- a teenage girl who's still in high school, a CHILD still being cared for by her own parents, a student preparing for college-- they could only see me as suddenly marriagable and therefore thought I needed to listen to lessons about marriage, household chores, caring for infants, and the like.

I skulked around in RS for about a month before they called me to wipe noses in the primary until I left for college.
The Status Of A Mormon Woman Relates Directly To Her Husband
Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006, at 06:43 AM
Original Author(s): Kimberlyann
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
Well, I've been on a roll with this topic lately, might as well keep going with it. Really, it's been on my mind a lot and has been a recent topic of discussion at my house.

Women can achieve a certain status in Mormonism despite their lack of Priesthood authority. The status a woman is afforded relates directly to the calling her husband holds in the church, how much money her husband earns, and how many smart, pretty children she has. At least that is my experience, and Illusions and Deenie mentioned this on one of the other closed misogyny threads.

Women who have successful husbands with higher callings such as a Stake calling, Bishop, Elder's Quorum President, Counselor in the Bishopric, or even Young Men's President or Scout Master, are stay-at-home mothers and have four or more attractive, well-behaved children get the most respect in the wards I've attended.

Single women, women with inactive husbands or husbands who don't usually have "high" callings almost never, in my experience, get the more important callings that women can have in the church. It doesn't matter how capable or intelligent they are, or how dedicated they are to the "gospel", or even how many children they have - they don't get called as the Relief Society President, or the Young Women's President or even as the counselors to those positions. They don't rate because they're judged by the successes or failings of their husbands - or by the fact that they don't have a husband at all.

Missing any key ingredient - money, children, successful husband - puts a woman one rung lower in the Women's Ward Hierarchy. It's not only the men dedicated to promoting "Stepford Wives" in Mormonism. The women are very good at it, too. They've been carefully trained to be that way and to value conformity, subservience, humility, marriage, having many children and material success above almost everything else in life. Women who don't fit the ideal "Molly Mormon" mold are to be pitied or even feared. There is no place for them in Mormon society.

Surely this mistreatment of women is one reason convert retention is so low. If most converts are women, treating them with such pity or disdain (especially if they are single, divorced, or their husbands don't join) isn't a prescription for growing the membership. As far as I'm concerned, that's OK. I personally don't want the Mormon church to do anything that might retain converts, as the best thing for the duped souls is to get the hell out as fast as their feet can carry them.

Women's reliance on men for status is unfair to the men. This issue of judging women by the worthiness of their husbands is what crushes so many women when their husbands lose belief in Mormonism. The wife suddenly becomes someone to be pitied and that hurts. She has little hope of a decent eternity consigned to another man as his celestial concubine. Why wouldn't she be devastated? The Mormon institution has her convinced she's nothing without a righteous husband. How sad.
Mormon Girls Were Trained Early - That They Weren't Valued
Thursday, Dec 14, 2006, at 07:33 AM
Original Author(s): Browniebutton
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I don't know how it is today, but when I was young it was just plain brutal. We used to watch the boys walk up to get Scouting awards, Priesthood awards, etc. While we sat there with our arms folded and our mouths shut.

Boys played basketball, baseball, while girls listened to lessons on chastity. At BYU in the dorms, the girls had a curfew but the boys didn't. If a girl didn't get back on time, they would lock her out.

I used to always hear about father and son's outings but you never heard about mother and daughter outings.

I was a brownie but my mother refused to let me join the girlscouts because the "church didn't approve of their organization."

I can remember protesting all of this when I was nine thinking that the protests would be heard.

Are there any other's that I have forgotten.
Teaching Girls That Their Highest Calling Is As A "Wife And Mother."
Thursday, Dec 14, 2006, at 07:35 AM
Original Author(s): Lorraine
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
From my as-yet-unposted exit story about my student days in the UCLA student branch in the seventies:

In addition to students, single Mormons in the area attended the UCLA branch. The women among them by in large worked in "traditional" female jobs: nurse, secretary, elementary-school teacher, airline stewardess, the kind of jobs my father had steered me toward. As they neared thirty still unwed, they threw themselves into ward activities, anxiously searching for a worthy priesthood bearer.

I wondered whether these faithful Mormon women had limited themselves by choosing careers that offered limited room for advancement and autonomy. Had they chosen stop-gap careers to fill time until they would marry and begin raising children? Now in their late 20s and early 30s, they seemed increasingly desperate to find the man who would take them to the temple. A couple of them did marry; others moved on to the next stop on the single-Mormon circuit (Los Angeles, Virginia-Washington, Boston, Provo-Salt Lake City, and Palo Alto, California).

Meanwhile, the messages from church headquarters became shriller and shriller: Women were to be wives and mothers. There was no higher calling for a woman; this was where our exultation and glory lay. Fascinating Womanhood was hotly debated. It was held up as the counter-balance to feminism and the new magazine, Ms.

The first issue of Ms had an article by Jane O'Reilly describing "Click" moments, the series of small, individual epiphanies that culminated in a feminist's awakening. I had the most memorable of my Clicks at a conference for LDSSA leaders held on Catalina Island. One sessions was dedicated to drilling home – again – the proper role of women in society. The speaker, a woman, was there to show how faithful Mormon women could have power and influence without abandoning her role as wife and mother. She cited her experiences in Orange County, where Little League had been holding practices and games on Sunday. Through her efforts, this outrage against the Lord had been abandoned. We, as faithful LDS students, were to remember her example as we made our way through college and into the world.

Listening to her, I remembered the nurse, the secretary, the elementary school teacher and the lonely airline stewardess. When would they take their places in that paradise for women, marriage and motherhood? The quiet, burning rebellion, my familiar in the confrontations with my father, returned. I raised my hand and asked her what she thought the women students should major in, given we were being told to aspire solely to marriage. She recommended home economics.

"UCLA doesn't have a home economics department," I responded, likely with acerbity. Well, she suggested, English and education would prepare us to help our children with their schoolwork.

By this time heads had swiveled toward me. The concerned young man in front of me asked whether I had come from a broken home. I saw the mask of moral certitude lock onto his face when I said yes. Clearly that was the explanation for my "rebellion."
I'm Sick To Death Of The Under-30 Trolls!
Friday, Apr 6, 2007, at 08:06 AM
Original Author(s): Nolihoma
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I'm so tired of these young KIDS coming here thinking they know everything about the church and just because the Gordonized church has backed off on taking a stand on ANYTHING and claims that "we don't teach that," does not mean a lot of us didn't grow up in a whole different church that DID teach that stuff.

Being a young married during the Spencer W. Kimball and Ezra Taft Benson days, the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that was SWK telling us not to put off having kids and sitting in a special fireside for married couples at BYU and hearing ETB drone on about how we women were supposed to be popping out kids and not working. Thank you all for immediately coming up with those references.

And while we're on the subject--whether you under 30 trolls want to believe it or not, here are some other things about the church that I was raised in (the one that bears the same name as the one you attend).
  • We DID attend the temple and participate in rituals where we pantomimed our own violent demise (as Martha Beck puts it).
  • We DID wear silky long john underwear with a big split in the crotch and were told never to wear our bras or underwear underneath it. It was very easy to have "relations" with it on and we were given different opinions by "authorities" about whether taking it off was appropriate.
  • We WERE taught that blacks could not receive the holy penishood because they were fence-sitters in the pre-existence and that they could make it to the CK as slaves.
  • We DID learn that God came down and had sex with Mary to impregnate her with JC, the SAME WAY any other women achieved pregnancy.
  • We WERE taught that it is better to lose our lives than our chastity and if we were raped we would be damned if we didn't fight to the death (my patriarchal blessing reminded me of this).
  • We were taught that the American Indians WERE the Lamanites spoken of in the BOM. We had foster brothers and sisters who were in the "Lamanite placement program." We watched "The Lamanite Generation" perform at BYU. We still read in our scriptures that the Lord told them they would become "white and delightsome" if they joined the church. We heard SWK tell us that the kids on the placement program were becoming lighter, as revealed in the BOM.
  • We DEFINITELY were taught that anything spoken by those in authority, especially the prophet and "the brethren" was the same as scripture. In my religion class at BYU, Walter D. Bowen told us that we should put EVERY conference edition of the Ensign with our other scriptures because that's what they were.
So you young members of the Church of Gordon and Thomas of Latter-Day Ignoramuses, quit coming here and telling us what the church that WE were raised in teaches!
Found A Letter Addressed To "Myself" That I Wrote In Young Women's
Monday, May 21, 2007, at 07:30 AM
Original Author(s): Greta
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
You ladies know the one I mean, everyone does it in Laurel class. It's the one that says where you hope to be in 5 or 10 years, what your hubby will be like, and what your life goals are. Then you seal it up and address it for yourself to read when the years are up. I guess the idea is to be able to guage whether you turned out acceptably or failed miserably (with the YW already-made template for life being the CORRECT way).

Anyway, so I was going through some old stuff at my parents house, and discovered it. I wrote it when I was about 17, and I'm now mid-twenties. Here's the gist of what it said:
  • I will be married to a worthy, RM, priesthood holder.
  • I will ONLY marry in the temple of the Lord, and my husband and I will go there frequently.
  • I will only marry a man who keeps himself clean and worthy in all ways, and has a strong testimony.
  • We will pay our tithing always before anything else.
  • I will remember and live the YW values I have been taught.
  • I will use my talents to serve my husband and family, and always put the church before anything else.
Blah blah, so on and so forth. Sound familiar to anyone? Oh yeah, it's because we all wrote the same exact letter. It's incredible that years ago when I wrote this, it seemed perfectly normal and right to spew out such propaganda, and to actually believe that this is the ONLY way to live, the ONLY way to be happy. Reading it now filled me with utter revulsion, and a shocking reminder of how completely taken in by all that crap I was.

Well, suffice it to say, none of those things have come to pass, and I have renewed perspective on how brainwashed I have been, and how grateful I am to have overcome it. I can live my life however I want to! I can wear whatever underwear I want, and spend my money on whatever I want, and sleep in on Sundays!!

Thank you, RfM, and thank you self-awareness, for saving me from such a future. Perhaps I'll write a new letter to my future self. I might say "I will do whatever I choose with my life, and it will be kick-ass!"
Does The Church Still Blame The Victim For Rape, Or Incest?
Monday, May 21, 2007, at 08:31 AM
Original Author(s): Petitemalfleur
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I recently found this lesson in the current Young Women's manual. I remember being taught this lesson in Church, and how disturbed I was by it at the time.
"Story

The following story illustrates how a young woman lost her chastity because she was not obedient to gospel principles.

Alice was thrilled to be invited to a party with all of her new friends. She knew several would be drinking, but she decided she would just say “No, thank you” if anyone offered her a drink.

At the party, several people offered her drinks. She refused the first few times, but she finally had one drink. This one drink multiplied into several. As the evening progressed, Alice lost her ability to control both her mind and her body. This loss was indeed heartbreaking because she later had to live with the reality that she had also lost her chastity."
Here you are looking at a minor child, who is being illegally served alcohol. The story is ambiguous, but the assumption is there, since she was breaking the WoW, she was easily coerced into sex.

This is rape.

When Utah brags about their low crime rate they fail to mention their unusually high rate of rape, and how those rapes go mostly unreported. Most TBM women who are raped go first to their bishop rather than the police. This is in part because they are taught the Church has authority on such matters and also because they often fail to recognize they were raped.

The victims find ways to blame themselves because they wore tight clothing, or were being a little too flirtatious. They may have been doing something the Church would not approve of and feel they opened themselves up to sin. Perhaps they were on a date and were making out with a guy too heavily.

I actually had one TBM give this last one as an example where he felt the guy could be exonerated for "not being able to stop." I asked him in response if he were in that situation, and making out with a girl very heavily when she told him to stop, if he would have it in him to cross that line from wanting to share sex with her, to becoming angry enough at her refusal to force her. He changed his stance.

This is the attitude being taught in the Church: Young men are not fully responsible for acts of violence, and young women need to take partial responsibility for being attacked. This attitude is a problem in society in general, but in this case it is being endorsed and taught by a religious institution. A religion people foolishly trust will not lead them astray or misguide them in their way of thinking or believing.

I believe the most current bishops manual has changed its position from encouraging the victim to accept their level of blame, to saying the victim has no blame at all. However, other sources which are more widely published and distributed still place blame on the victim for not fighting hard enough, for dressing inappropriately, or placing themselves in a situation where such violence is more likely to occur (such as the above story).

I think the most famous example of how blaming the victim is promoted in the Church can be read in, "The Miracle of Forgiveness," which is pushed on every member who transgresses as part of the atonement process:
"Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is absolutely no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
Or how about the 1992 Ensign article which addressed victims?
""The victim must do all in his or her power to stop the abuse. Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed. Otherwise the seeds of guilt will remain and sprout into bitter fruit. Yet no matter what degree of responsibility, from absolutely none to increasing consent, the healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ can provide a complete cure."
When someone tells me they only attend because they think the Church is good for children, I point them toward these quotes. These are quotes the Church should strike from every publication and openly retract. Yet the attitude that the victim is to blame still persists as is exampled by the lesson in the current Young Women's manual!

What kind of message does this send to the perpetrator? That the burden of sin also falls on the victim? How is this a healthy outlook for young men and women to grow up with? People should be taught what rape is, and it should be ingrained in their heads it is NEVER the victim's fault. Not give these ambiguous little stories on rape being a just punishment for hanging out with the wrong people.
The Role Of Women In The Mormon Church
Monday, Jul 23, 2007, at 07:11 AM
Original Author(s): Susieq#1
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
This is an article I wrote that I share with non believers also. The original was written several years ago. I am often asked about the role of women in Mormonism. This is a review of my experience as a woman in the Mormon Church.

The Role of Women in the Mormon Church - Motherhood, Her Sexuality and how the Temple Ceremonies of Washing and Anointing Define Her. (Note: the actual ceremony was changed a few years ago, removing naked touching.)

WOMEN ACCEPT THEIR ROLE

Women accept their role in Mormonism with a promise that borrows into her heart and is the essence of motherhood - the absolutely belief that they will never loose their children and their family if they comply with the doctrines taught them.

The believe they will have their children for all eternity of they adhere to the Mormon teachings. In fact, to have a child leave the Mormon Church is a personal failure that is to be avoided at all costs, as this is a personal assault on her by the adversary, and she must do everything in her power to keep from loosing her offspring. She willingly submits to these beliefs even though, to an outsider, they seem to infringe on her independence, her honor and her good sense. Some outsiders, even call it abusive.

Women who are well entrenched and strong believers in Mormonism, often with several generations of Mormonism flowing in their veins, see the accusations of abuse, and lack of independence and freedom of thought from outsiders as silly and false. She absolutely knows she is not abused, not programmed, not brainwashed, and can "think for herself."

What she does not realize is that she is restricted by the doctrines and what she considers "thinking for herself" means she thinks long and hard and prays long and hard to obtain a "witness of the spirit" so she is "worthy" to obtain eternal life. A mother is often willing to go to any length to save, protect, and keep her family.

The teachings of the Mormon Church make it clear that the Holy Priesthood of God is never to be questioned. To question a male Priesthood holder, especially the top leadership is tantamount to questioning God. Even to have doubts is unacceptable. Doubts are never to be spoken or written. They are to be kept inside. (That is one of the reasons, in my observation, that anger brews and explodes when people finally get out from under the thumb of Mormonism's control.)

I have heard Mormon women admit that they did not like or understand their position in the Mormon Church but it was how "Heavenly Father wanted it" and they go along with it thinking it is the only right thing to do. So, they defer to the priesthood, thinking they are laying up treasures in heaven. The woman's place is foremost and always to follow and support the priesthood in all things.

Their role is clearly defined in Mormonism's in it's doctrine and is one area that has not changed and will never changed. Their role is defined in Doctrine and Covenants 132, as part of the official doctrine and even though polygamy is not lived outright (technically it is still lived according to the marriage ceremony --exact wording from DandC 132 in the temple - The New and Everlasting Covenant is "plurality of wives".

She wears the garment day and night of the Holy Priesthood of God, and covenanted to be a priestess to her husband in the Celestial Kingdom, but that is as far as her authority or equality goes. Her role teaches her that Heavenly Father meant for women to be the mothers, and for the men to officiate in the Priesthood.

The temple rituals and covenants (called Endowments) do not make her equal to her husband. She is to be a priestess to her husband who will rule over her in righteousness! The message is clear. She is taught from a young age, beginning with a blessing when she is just a few weeks old to give her a name, that she is to go to the temple and be married for "all eternity."

There is a lot of lip service given to the notion that they are equal, but every woman knows that only applies in certain areas. They might share equal chores in the home, or have equal input on decisions in the home, but when it comes to the church hierarchy and how the Priesthood functions, they might be listened to, but their recommendations can be and are overruled on the whim of the leaders as they are the representatives of the Lord. What the priesthood leaders say is accepted and unquestioned as they claim inspiration given to them as the Lord's mouthpiece.

She may be the "neck" that moves the "head" in many areas, but not when it comes to officiating in the Priesthood. Her role is to support and remind, insist, cajole, and see that he fulfills his Priesthood functions but not to question or direct it. After all, her eternal place with her children and family is dependent on him honoring the Priesthood.

WOMEN HAVE NO PLACE IN THE HIERARCHY Men overrule women. Women have no authority in the church and no place in the hierarchy and only serve under the men. If the men in charge do not like something, the women are told to do things differently. If they do not agree, they are considered: "prideful" think they "own" a calling, and not obedient to the Priesthood. All of which is unacceptable. Her eternal position/salvation is conditional.

Her agency (the term: "free agency: is now a misnomer and not part of the teachings) is held in a very small box of do's and don't all determined by how the men interpret the scriptures, how they supervise the organizations, and how they make assignments-- "callings" and give "counsel." Agency in Mormonism means freedom to choose good or evil/ Heavenly Father or Satan.

There is a "vote" in their Sacrament Meetings to sustain members in their "callings,, but it means nothing as dissent is not accepted either. The vote is only intended to obtain the support of the members by raising their hand to the square.

Also, the men's "inspiration" overrules anything a woman says or claims as an answer to her prayers.

All assignments or "callings" as they are called have a right to "inspiration" and one is expected to "magnify their calling." However, it is important to note that "inspiration" is only given for their respective "callings." No one receives "inspiration" or direction from the Lord about anything other than the "calling" they currently hold. Volunteer "callings," extended by the male leaders are considered inspired direction from the Lord and not to be turned down or questioned.

There is also no need for the Priesthood brethren to tell the truth as they have the privilege of "Lying for the Lord" a well understood underlying concept in Mormonism taught in their scriptures.

All of Mormonism is governed by men with very little input from the women, who are predominately used to follow orders - with a dust pan and broom to clean up after the brethren - in more ways than one!

The typical Mormon Priesthood leader looses respect for a female who uses her own mind, challenges them, or corrects them. They are threatened by the misuse of her position as it means he is not doing his job as a Priesthood leader and he is then expected to call her to repentance and make sure she changes her ways and never does it again.

Women are accepted in the Mormon Church and loved and respected and admired only if they comply with the role they are given. Once they are seen as disobedient, rebellious, take a different interpretation than the official one, explain themselves, they are no longer considered "worthy,"

If the husband is "worthy," which generally means that he lives all the commandments, in particular: the Word of Wisdom, (does not smoke, use alcohol, drink coffee or tea, etc.) and pays tithing and can answer the temple recommend questions in correctly, in the eyes of the Mormon Church it is acceptable for him to leave his "unworthy" wife and take her children away. The worthy Priesthood holder is entitled to a worthy wife.

Once the woman is accused of not being "chaste" she is no longer "worthy." Never mind that the man might be having an affair, or has abused his own children, or is a pedophile. It is the woman's fault these things happened. It is not uncommon for a Relief Society President for instance, to tell a woman to "be a better wife" so her husband won't beat her or stray.

Women in Mormonism are also defined by their sexuality.

The underlying message about sexuality is that you will give your life to keep from being raped. The worthy, honorable thing to do, if sexual assaulted, is to fight to the death to preserve your vagina from dishonorable intrusion. Often, an honorable Mormon father teaches his daughters that he would rather see her dead than violated. It is worth noting, however, that this not a concept solely held by Mormonism.

Mormonism has found the key to controlling generations of it's members. It is a typical ploy of religiosity since time began; control the sexuality of the female and control of the family for generations to come is maintained. This also solidifies the influx of money.

Women are also taught that they control "the spirit" of the home. It goes along with the old adage if "mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" and Mormonism takes this a step further imprinting and programming young females from birth that they are to be sweet and worthy to have "the spirit" with them at all times. Of course, this is solidified at age eight with baptism, when they are commanded to receive the Holy Ghost as their constant companion and continues with the rest of the "ordinances."

Women in Mormonism are also defined by their attire.

Their whole wardrobe and their sense of their bodies is determined by the temple garment that is to be worn next to the skin as a protection and placed on her body in a ritual in the temple. It is also seen as a protection against her sexuality being defiled or assaulted in any way. She is told she is to remain chaste and worthy in thought and deed with the temple garment a constant, even Mosaic reminder that she is a daughter of Heavenly Father and this is what is expected of her. Again her sexuality is given a place before her life.

The temple garment, with it's Masonic markings is seen as holy and sacred and is never to be put on the floor or abused in any manner. In fact, discarding of used, and worn garments requires a further ritual as the markings are to be cut out and burned. Then, and only then, can the remaining material (now devoid of their sacred element) be used as rags to clean the floor, or wash the car. etc.

Once dressed in the 'holy garment of the priesthood" - an interesting title, as she has no rank in the priesthood or any right to officiate, only as a servant - she then must make her attire comply with it's restrictions.

That means, every part of her body that is covered by the garment must be covered - modestly. Because the garment comes do mid thigh or knee, and has a cap sleeve, and is designed to fall several inches above her natural bra line, she is now confined to buying (or in many cases - making) clothing that covers her underwear. She has now become subservient to "Heavenly Father" - her God, who controls her (and men also) by her underwear.

There is the underlying message that women (and men) behave according to the clothing they are wearing, so the subtle indoctrinated, imprinted script says that the woman in Mormonism is wearing a holy-sacred reminder to dress modestly, and act accordingly and worthy of the blessings promised her.

The following is how the Washing and Anointing Ceremony was carried out during the times I attended the temple from 1962 to 1990 when it was changed. I have written extensively about these rituals prior to the change, (as have many others) and am happy to know that our fellow Mormon human beings will no longer be subjected to this ritual.

Now, I am told, as of a few years or so ago, the tunic is sewed up at the sides, and the naked body is no longer touched and anointed with water and oil. Hopefully, we all had a hand in seeing this ritual discontinued in our efforts to "give back" to humanity, especially our Mormon friends and loved ones.

These are some of my memories of the Washing and Anointing Ceremony in the Temple. (All of these rituals are easily accessed on the Internet, also) I have attended nine temples from 1962 to 1995, eight of them in the US and one in Switzerland, doing hundreds of "sessions" as they are called.

You enter a small stall, and sit on a cold marble type slab. The female temple worker doing the washing and anointing stands behind and to the side of you and starts with the top of the head, the forehead, the eyes, nose, mouth, breast, bowels, legs..etc. She has a little spigot she gets water from that drips slowly.

The oil is done in the same fashion. There are promises given, with each part of the body that is washed-dabbed with water and anointed-dabbed with oil. These have to do with promising the female that she will be a priestess to her husband in the Celestial Kingdom if she is faithful to her covenants. Nothing untoward, or of a sexual nature is done, but it is just very, very ethically and culturally out of order. How anyone can equate that to something spiritual still amazes me.

I can still see the rows of tiny, narrow lockers where we completely undressed and donned the sheet-tunic, carrying our long garments into the little cubical where the old lady awaited me. One of the oddest things about the temple is that the lockers have keys, so in the whispered ambiance of the temple, one of the only sounds heard is the soft jingling of the keys attacked with a safety pin to your clothing..

Now back to the tunic. This is a true tunic - open at the sides and no seams. To walk in and out of the washing and anointing room, most people hold the sheets together. I can still see, hear and feel and smell those old women.

The were like a grandma dressed in a white uniform, false teeth clacking, chewing a breath mint. I could feel her breath and smell the aroma of the mints as she whispered in my ear reaching under the sheet with those warm, sweaty, damp hands sliding over here and over there, anointing me first with dabs of water from head to toe, then going the same thing with oil.

I can still hear the water trickling from the tiny spigot that she put her hands into to begin the anointing. I can still hear the sing-song monotone of her memorized washing and anointing dialogue.

This ritual is not just a tiny tap on an imaginary dot of the skin. Your body is stroked in a 2" to 3" area in a downward motion over specific areas of your body from your head on down to your legs and onto to your toes. You do not know exactly where they will touch you. You only know the general area. It is very uncomfortable as these women are usually older-retirement age of 65 to 75 and their head is outside the sheet. They cannot see where they hands are unless they look under the tunic where the sides are open. They open the sheet on the sides to begin.

Imagine a woman's hand under the sheet (for women-man for men) each time they say a body part, making a sliding motion of about 2" to 3" in some areas, with the four fingers of the right hand over the body part -probably trying to be very careful they do not touch the actual breast-nipple area for women, or the pelvic hair-penis-scrotum area for men when they get to the words that correspond with that part of the body.

Sometimes, I had to stifle a giggle as the old woman inadvertently tickled me and I squirmed. I tried to sit really, really still so she would not slide her wet, warm, oily hand anywhere it ought not to be as her face was averted outside the sheet and she could not see where she had her hands.

Sometimes she slid her hands within inches of my breasts and pubic hair as she slid her hands around in her predetermined and well practiced path. I always hated it and I would shudder when she slide those warm, oily hands down my legs onto my feet.

When she finished she would help me step into my underwear, while still wearing that sheet tunic, adjusting it properly and sending me out into the dressing area where dozens of other women were coming and going. I was often hugged had the feeling she wanted to kiss me, she was so pleased. I still shudder.

The washings and anointing were only required the first time you go to the temple now as these ordinances are done in blocks by people who do only those kinds of sessions as proxy for the dead. They are the first part of the Endowment.

After the washing and anointing ceremony, the initiate dresses in all white clothing from neck to wrist to ankle and follows the group of people all dressed the same, into the Endowment session which follows and includes a video and promises-covenants made which, until April 1990, included hand movements signifying ways in which your life could be taken - cutting throat and disembowelment if you divulged certain parts of the Endowment.

Those, fortunately were removed, along with the Five Points of Fellowship at the Veil which required the initiate to stand embraced with a man (unseen and representing the Lord) behind a curtain - ear to ear, hand to back knee to knee, etc. to review the covenants made earlier in the ceremony - then the curtain would open and you were led in by your hand to the Celestial Room of the Temple.

If you go through the Temple as proxy for any dead relative (post-mortem conversions) you must do the washing and anointing along with it. Years ago, we did the washing and anointing and the endowment session for the same name all in one evening, sometimes doing two sessions for two deceased people.

The part that is unethical and disrespectful is that no one tells the new initiate anything ahead of time .No disclosure. You go and do what dozens of other people are doing. It is very difficult to leave once you get in the temple. It can be done, I know, I have watched people do it, but it is rare. This is group pressure at it's most intense.

Under no other circumstances would anyone even dare to consider that you would strip naked, put on a shield-tunic, as it is called, and carry your underwear and go into a small room alone with someone you do not know while they whisper memorized, ritualistic dialogue, usually with a breath mint in their mouth, then help dress you by helping you put on the regulation temple garment (underwear) to be worn day and night.

To even suggest this bazaar, outlandish, absurd act is spiritual reeks of a complete lack of common sense and respect. It is humiliating. I have never been so mortified in my life. It is a flagrant assault on one's self respect, privacy and dignity. But, thousands of "worthy' Mormons go through this ritual daily in the 100 temples of the world.

The Mormon church has no policy for full disclosure or they would disclose every single thing about their history, including their finances and their temple ceremonies to anyone who investigates or/or joins.

Originally, I am told, this was a complete washing and anointing, similar to some other religious customs. There is no redeeming value to it. There is nothing spiritual about putting on a tunic, open at the sides, made from a sheet and carrying your regulation underwear into a little room to have your naked body touched by someone you do not know.

This is an obvious invasion of your complete being and done in a setting with a lot of other people so you go along because the rest are doing it, at least the first time. You have been convinced, believe totally that there is nothing that can harm you so when you feel violated and invaded, you are stuck with the mental gymnastics of trying to make sense of it and why you are at fault .Somehow, you must make a bizarre experience seem spiritual and good. Surely it is not the church that is doing bad things, it must be me. So it goes on, around and around in circles. Always making you the one that is at fault, never the church.

The arrogance of Mormonism to assume that they had any right to touch anyone's naked body without full disclosure and full permission is out of the realm of common decency. This is the most despicable, horrid, spiritual abuse of another human being imaginable, but it must be done if they are to get your total submission.

This is the final frontier of breaking down boundaries - your naked body! This is about total submission, control, stripping you down and dressing the surprised, new initiate with physical touching under a flimsy tunic then dressing you! Once that is accomplished, there is nothing you won't do and it does include giving your life if you divulge certain parts of the temple ceremonies. For this privilege you pay 10% of your income for your life.

(Generally, the women that object most vehemently to a husband changing his beliefs, have gone through this ceremony many times, some of them, hundreds of times. This is, in my observation, the crux of the power that motivates a Mormon female to be completely unable to deal with an apostate husband.)

The genius of the repetitive, ritualistic temple ceremonies/ordinances, especially the washing and anointing and the endowment is to keep the person totally committed, paying tithing and under their control. And it works.

How does the Mormon church get old Mormon men and women to believe it is a sacred ordinance to touch the naked body of strangers under a sheet with little dabs of water then oil while you sit in a small cubicle? The only way you get people to do this is through extreme religious programming, conditioning, and trust and no prior specific information and the abomination to never discuss what happens outside the temple. It must be done while a large group of other people are doing the same thing so it is seen as acceptable in the eyes of the Mormon God. (Note: even though the "naked touching" part is removed, the power of the initiation is still there.)

The unbelievable thing is that the church does such a good job of convincing and programming the new converts and new initiate to the notion that this is spiritual, a higher law, you are special, God wants you to do this. No discussion of the temple rituals is allowed, so if there are any concerns, they are kept to themselves.

They get thousands of members to go to the temple thousands of times over their lifetime to continue this programming and, yes, what some call-brainwashing. They use a method as old as humanity. They call it "Building Relationships of Trust" or "BRT". Get someone to trust you and they will believe anything you say and do anything you ask of them, especially if they are convinced it will guarantee them a place of honor in the Mormon Celestial Kingdom after they die. What we will do in the name of pleasing the Mormon God!

The interesting thing is that once you stop going to church, stop attending any function, stop reading any of their approved literature, you begin to separate and disconnect and break the code. Then you can see it for what it is - some call it blatant cult or cultish activities, although very subtle and well designed to subjugate you to them forever.

If a woman wants her place solidified in the after life with her children and family. she must, at all costs, have a husband that is "worthy" and honors the Holy Priesthood, and will, in the resurrection, call her by her "New Name" given her in the temple at her marriage, into the Celestial Kingdom.

Therein lies the power of years of imprinting, and programming by rote repetition, repeated temple attendance, talks from the "mouthpiece of the Lord" (the leaders) etc., and is the impetus for the disconnect when a Mormon woman is faced with an apostate husband.

Now, many years later, these memories are fleeting and are not part of my day to day life! How great: freedom!
The Mormon Church Only Has High Expectations For Boys
Thursday, Jul 26, 2007, at 08:10 AM
Original Author(s): Anti-Molly
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
You know, most kids will meet high expectations if you actually offer them. Ask any school teacher -- if you set the bar high, all or almost all of the kids will achieve more than if you set the bar low.

The problem with the mormon church (and others) is that it really only has high expectations for boys. They're expected to responsibly use magical powers starting at age 12. They're expected to make Eagle Scout. They're expected to get a job and raise money so they can go on a mission. They're expected to attend four years of seminary and serve two years in the mission field (even if they had to do a lot of repenting before and during). They're expected to be leaders, whether in the chapel or on the dance floor or in the bedroom. They're expected to graduate from college when possible. They're expected to financially, spiritually, and benevolently provide for their family. Heck, they're even expected to call forth their spouse through the veil after death (or something like that).

Me? I was expected to keep myself "pure," to get married in the temple, and to have babies. Literally everything else, except maybe seminary, was optional. The church expected so little of me, I was frankly insulted. And I saw right through that stupid young womanhood medallion thing. First, it was obviously introduced only because women had started complaining that they didn't have anything fun or special like Scouts. Second, it was still full of low expectations -- I could get credit for BABYSITTING or CLEANING HOUSE, for god's sake.

All I can say is "whew" that my family at least had high academic expectations for me. At least I had something to achieve of which I could be proud. The challenge of keeping myself pure enough to be an adequate baby-making machine just wasn't going to cut it.
Ensign Article Declares That Men And Women Are Full And Equal Partners!
Monday, Jul 30, 2007, at 07:07 AM
Original Author(s): Lucyfer
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
I just love it when Mormons try to take their 19th century Victorian dogma and make it sound all fresh, modern and egalitarian! Nowhere does this appear more ridiculous and contrived than when they try to convince others (or themselves) that men and women are really “equal” in the eyes of the Mormon God.

The August 2007 Ensign contains a thoroughly typical article written by Elder Bruce C. Hafen (of the seventy, no less) and his lovely help-meet, Marie K. Hafen, entitled, “Crossing Thresholds and Becoming Equal Partners”. This gem is just chock full of silly Mormon notions about the innate difference between men and women, the immutability of gender roles, and the usual dancing around about how wonderful and “equal” it all is.

Apparently, Mormons have a very different definition of the word “equal” than is commonly accepted by the rest of us who speak English. I find their approach to be pretty much straight out of George Orwell’s classic book, Animal Farm, in which all of the barn yard creatures are declared equal, except that some are more equal than others.

The article starts out with a slap at those pesky Evangelical Christians. Hey – when you are trying to look modern and egalitarian and all, why not – the Evangelicals make a great foil! The authors sniff with contempt that “one US Church” actually states in its creed that “a wife’s first duty is to submit graciously to her husband”. No!!! Say it ain’t so – not “submit graciously”?? How horrible and un-Mormon-like of them!!

Well, the US Church in question here is none other than the Southern Baptist Convention whose seminary is located practically across the street from my house. When their creed was changed to clarify this statement a year or so ago it was in all the papers round these parts. Of course, I view this stance as complete and total CRAP, but at least the Baptists say it out loud and call it what it is. At least they have the integrity to be honest about their beliefs. The Southern Baptists are ignorant male chauvinist pigs and proud of it, by golly! No whitewashing here!

But the Mormons.... now, that is a different story. The Ensign article goes on for 5 nauseating pages about how in Mormonism men and women are really “equal” in marriage because the Mormon Proclamation on the Family uses the word “preside” when referring to the male role as opposed to stating that women are to “graciously submit”.

Uh.... do you think we could split the hairs any thinner on this one?

Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary defines the word preside as meaning “to exercise guidance, direction or control” and “to occupy the place of authority”. So, if the husband (by virtue of having a penis) is mandated by Heavenly Father to “preside” over the family, does that not mean that the wife (by virtue of being sans penis) must be presided over? If one member of the marriage controls or exercises authority over the other how can that possibly be an “equal” partnership? The word “equality” by its very nature refers to power, autonomy and control. If someone else presides over me, then I am not equal to that person in some very important ways – that person (by virtue of his gender) is afforded more power than I have, hence we are inherently unequal. Even if I am allowed to offer input or to state my opinion, the person who “presides” is the ultimate decider which means that I am, well...NOT the decider. How is this arrangement “equal”?

Never fear - the Mormons have an answer for this (don’t they always?). You see, equality in marriage REALLY means separate and distinct roles to play in terms of managing the family and the household – it has nothing to do with power and control! The husband goes out and works to provide for the family and the wife takes care of the house and the children – see – equal! Hmmmm – I guess somebody needs to tell the African Americans that the whole separate is inherently unequal Brown v. Board of Education decision was just plain wrong. Oh, wait – the Supreme Court just did that – never mind!

Better yet, Heavenly Father has made the two sexes different in terms of their gifts and capacities. According to the authors, “the woman’s innate spiritual instincts are like a moral magnet pointing toward spiritual north”. President Boyd K. Packer is even quoted as saying that “the virtues and attributes upon which perfection and exaltation depend come more naturally to women”. The article goes on to gush that “if the husband and the wife are wise, their counseling will be reciprocal: he will listen to the prompting of her inner spiritual compass just as she will listen to his righteous counsel.

Great – we women get to be all spiritual while the guys get to be the ones who actually think. But, hey – if women are more virtuous and all – why aren’t WOMEN presiding over men? Who put the unvirtuous, unspiritual buttheads in charge?

Oh yeah...the big decider is Heavenly Father, not Heavenly Mother.

What a frikkin’ set-up! But then, as women, we already knew this, didn’t we?
Sexism In The Sold Called "True Church" - The Beginning Of The End For Me
Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:43 AM
Original Author(s): Jacyn
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
During my many years of accepting LDS teachings as true, I carefully tucked the blatant sexism in my "mental box" and stored it away for the day when I would finally understand everything. LDS women are so good at doing this. If the men had to do it, they'd leave. There would be no LDS church. I'm convinced of that.

I dutifully quieted my mental protests that despite the evolving more politically correct rhetoric, women in tscc are not really equal partners. I did the same thing with the fact that the scriptures portray women as less than second-class citizens. Why the hell did it matter if Abraham's wife was beautiful? Why wasn't she described as compassionate and intelligent? Why did it matter that Mary was described as the "most beautiful and fair above all other virgins?" And then there is poor Leah, the ugly sister who had to trick her husband into marrying her by sneaking into his marital bed that was meant for the love of his life. And he didn't get a clue that he was with the wrong woman until the light of day? Clearly, even the scriptures teach that a woman's worth is dependent upon her physical appearance (not to mention the disturbing fact that we all apparently look the same in the dark). Yet we don't teach that in YW. God loves all of his daughters, even the ugly ones.

Moreover, why don't the scriptures give men equal time on the physical appearance valuation scale? Why don't we ever read that Paul was a whiney runt or that Nephi had the buns of Lance Armstrong? Why are women dehumanized (when they're even mentioned) while the men are described based on what they accomplished? Just place it in the mental box ...

I carefully chose to ignore the fact that men are the final authority on anything, notwithstanding the fact that many have blatantly chauvinistic attitudes towards women and fewer social skills of a turd-throwing chimpanzee. "The church is perfect. The people aren't perfect. The church was designed for imperfect people." It sounded reasonable at the time.

My daughter is away to college and currently attending a student ward. She vents to me every week about how her bishop and other leaders keep harping on marriage. A few weeks ago, the women were taught "flirting etiquette" during the Sunday block (don't remember which meeting). They had an enrichment night on "How to cook for you man." Holy shit. Literally.

I've been conditioned to look to tscc to understand my eternal identity. My role as a woman. It's never really added up. And frankly, it's nothing to look forward to. The past few years I've had serious struggles with this. I couldn't ignore it anymore. The mental box started to overflow then would no longer stay closed.

Then I realized, they don't want to tell us who we are. Really. Because we're destined to be "sealed" to someone as "Wife No. X." But sshh. We don't talk about polygamy in tscc. We're not supposed to understand it yet. We're not righteous enough. We'll all understand it in the "next life" when the "righteous" women are handed out like Christmas bonuses to the a**holes who met their earthly quota. Yippee. What a privilege. For someone else. Not for me.

And that's another thing. I guess the Celestial Kingdom will be overflowing with righteous women who are all entitled to the blessings of eternal marriage. Unfortunately, there won't be enough men to go around so they'll have to double, or triple, or quadruple .... up. Men will be more scarce because women are by nature more spiritual and righteous than men are? That makes no sense to me. So, if you're born as a man, you poor suckers already have two strikes against you. What a load of crap. Doesn't hell sound like the better place to be? I mean, think about poor Leah. She has an eternity of knowing that she wasn't even the second choice to look forward to. How great for her.

I know this is rambling but I have to articulate my thoughts sometimes to understand them. I love the fact that men and women are different. I like it when men act like men. I love being a woman. But different doesn't mean "better" or that one has authority over the other.

While I am aware of the issues relative to church history being altered or covered up, etc., this gender inequality thing is the real sticking point for me. My conclusion: if despite everything tscc is still true, I see no place or plan for me there. "Making it" to the Celestial Kingdom could be like one loooong annual High Priest dinner. I think I'd be happier in hell.
Girl In The Corner: The Story Of The Mormon Woman
Thursday, Dec 6, 2007, at 07:07 AM
Original Author(s): Enigma
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
So many things could be said about the often tragic sacrifices that women in Mormonism are forced to make. I’m sure libraries could be filled with what these individuals have chosen (many times in ignorance of any alternatives until it is painfully too late) to leave behind as they dutifully create households of faith… monuments to the machine… In the last couple of months, the stories of these women and the consequences of their awakening to what they truly have given up has moved me… moved me to put into prose and music the vision I see as I contemplate the life of a Mormon girl – carefully corralled… bred for destiny, for purity, for propriety, and taught to deny all that she longs to live for, all that she yearns to love…

All for the sake of a higher purpose…

And then to awaken to the truth… oh the pain that must run through some of these tortured souls as they crawl back to the altar of sacrifice and stare in shock at the tattered remnants of their dreams…

Oh the anguish she must experience as she finds that abandoned girl in a dark and silent corner of her soul… wishing… hoping… aching for a chance to become…

Girl in the Corner…

Come my child inside today
Come away from the bluest skies
The piano waits for your tiny hands
Take your seat it’s time to play…

Oh and the seasons pass so fast
As her fingers grace the keys
Though in her heart she yearns for more
She’s bound by loyalty…

So she plays… So she cries…

She blooms in spring and finds her wings
A wild heart no one could tame.
Like a rush of wind life takes her hands
As she opens her heart and learns to sing…

Standing at the precipice of all her dreams
Breathless at the beauty of what she sees
Her fragile heart breaking as she’s made to choose
Between the love she’s found and loyalty…

Now she stands at the altar and stares
Crying as it starts to rain
Her heart and her dreams in her hands
She cries in silent rage.

She puts it all on the altar and then
Slowly she walks away.
Now every day she denies the pain
And she’s never going back again.

Chorus: Look into her soul and a girl you’ll see
Stricken from the pain of her shattered dreams
Starving for the price of loyalty
Where’s love… Where’s love?

A face now gaunt and filled with pain
Betrayal forces her to wake again
Groping in the corner for the strength to stand
Denial crumbles in her trembling hands…

She cries and screams in agony
Running through a forest of leafless trees
Frozen in a winter of abandoned dreams…
She weeps… She grieves…
She mourns… She heals…

She wanders aimlessly
No longer chained by loyalty.
What is she now without her dreams?
Could she ever feel love again?

And she stands at the altar again…
And she gazes at all that remains.
Her fingers pick at the fragments and then
She takes them all back again…

And she comes to the altar again…
Understanding all that she gave.
She swings the hammer she holds in her hands…
And she’ll never come back again!

Chorus (reprised)
Look into her soul and a woman you’ll see
She stands amidst the fragments of her shattered dreams
And yet she hopes against all hope it seems
For love… Pure love…

Look into her soul and a woman you’ll see
She stands amidst the fragments of her shattered dreams
And yet she hopes against all hope it seems
For love… Pure love…

For the awakened Mormon Woman…
Are Church Leaders Reducing Or Contributing To Staggering Rates Of Depression In Utah?
Thursday, Dec 6, 2007, at 08:09 AM
Original Author(s): Deconstructor
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
According to yet another study, Utah ranks number one in depressions nationwide:

"In Utah, 14 percent of adults and adolescents reported experiencing severe psychological distress, and 10 percent said they’d had a major depressive episode in the past year. Bad mental health days come three times a month for those living in Utah." - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22087867/

You'd think with the numbers so high, that the LDS Church would notice and respond to this.

But instead Church leaders give members this divine instruction:

(Excepts from last General Conference)
"Mothers who know desire to bear children. ... Prophets, seers, and revelators who were sustained at this conference have declared that "God's commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force." President Ezra Taft Benson taught that young couples should not postpone having children and that "in the eternal perspective, children–not possessions, not position, not prestige–are our greatest jewels.""

"Mothers who know honor sacred ordinances and covenants. ... They bring daughters in clean and ironed dresses with hair brushed to perfection; their sons wear white shirts and ties and have missionary haircuts. ... These mothers have made and honor temple covenants. They know that if they are not pointing their children to the temple, they are not pointing them toward desired eternal goals. These mothers have influence and power."

"Mothers who know are nurturers. ... Another word for nurturing is homemaking. Homemaking includes cooking, washing clothes and dishes, and keeping an orderly home. Home is where women have the most power and influence; therefore, Latter-day Saint women should be the best homemakers in the world. Nurturing mothers are knowledgeable, but all the education women attain will avail them nothing if they do not have the skill to make a home that creates a climate for spiritual growth. Growth happens best in a "house of order," and women should pattern their homes after the Lord's house."

"Mothers who know build children into future leaders and are the primary examples of what leaders look like."

"Mothers who know are always teachers. Since they are not babysitters, they are never off duty. A well-taught friend told me that he did not learn anything at church that he had not already learned at home. His parents used family scripture study, prayer, family home evening, mealtimes, and other gatherings to teach. Think of the power of our future missionary force if mothers considered their homes as a pre–missionary training center. ... That is influence; that is power."

"Mothers who know do less[of worldly things]. ... These mothers choose carefully and do not try to choose it all. Their goal is to prepare a rising generation of children who will take the gospel of Jesus Christ into the entire world. Their goal is to prepare future fathers and mothers who will be builders of the Lord's kingdom for the next 50 years. That is influence; that is power."

"Who will prepare this righteous generation of sons and daughters? Latter-day Saint women will do this–women who know and love the Lord and bear testimony of Him, women who are strong and immovable and who do not give up during difficult and discouraging times. We are led by an inspired prophet of God who has called upon the women of the Church to "stand strong and immovable for that which is correct and proper under the plan of the Lord." He has asked us to "begin in [our] own homes" to teach children the ways of truth. Latter-day Saint women should be the very best in the world at upholding, nurturing, and protecting families."
What a guilt trip.

Why is such a long list of expectations placed on women in the church?

Doesn't this give believing Mormon women a list of faults they can feel bad about if they aren't meeting 100%?

Doesn't this give believing Mormon husbands more ammunition to list where their wives aren't "living up" to church standards?

What woman comes away from a talk like that feeling good about herself?

Am I missing something here?
Young Womens And Marriage
Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008, at 07:13 AM
Original Author(s): Chocmool
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
Some things about Young Women´s I liked. I liked the spotlight (my mom would always tell them the most embarrassing things for the teachers to share in class, like that I always wore my clothes backwards. The day they said that, I just happened to have my dress on backwards--god knows how I did that. I think I was conditioned from experiences like that into my current shameless state).

I, however, HATED the lessons. I don´t think teachers in the church are set up to deal with contradiction, even when they are wrong. There is no dissent allowed, and therefore there is no thinking. Young women are taught a very limited view and no real-life thinking skills.

I feel so bad when I talk to my sisters. I am the only girl in my family who wasn´t married by the time I was 19. For all of my sisters, that was the only option. Females are only valued as married baby-makers. There is no place between childhood and adulthood. After a girl turns 18, she is pushed into Relief Society where she is told how to be a good wife and a mother, whether or not she IS a wife and a mother.

Women are told for so long that they are either a child or a mother: there is no third option. In young women´s and the awkward place of a single woman in RS, the female identity is stripped of anything but wife-mother-cloistered molly.

This is why my sisters stayed in bad marriages for so long. They were told by priesthood leaders time and time again (this is three different sisters and at least 5 different priesthood leaders) that it was their responsibility to make their husbands happy. It is their responsibility to keep the family together, to care for their children.

My dad says the same thing: kids need both father and mother, give your kids a tranquil home, mothers should stay home. He has no idea what it is to care for children, to run a home. When my mother died, my father was COMPLETELY incapable of holding the family together. He was mourning, and that made it harder. But he has no concept of family relations, of cleaning, of cooking, of anything.

Three of my sisters have persued divorces, and all three of them split up and went back several times on the advice of priesthood leaders. All of them bear physical and emotional scars from their husbands. Each one of them has children who are forever influenced by dishonorable men.

I think, in all cases, my sisters made dumb decisions in marrying these men. I don´t excuse their culpability. However, I think they were doing what they were taught; they were doing the only thing that gave them legitimacy and value in their communities and in their families.

It just makes me sad when I tell my sisters what I am doing in my life (college, travel, living abroad, career), and they voice their dissatisfaction with their lives. And even as they love me, they resent my freedom. They resent that I am doing all the things they didn´t.

I don´t blame them, and I try to be as positive as I can, with both their voiced and unvoiced resentment. It is just sad that YW and RS gave them no other option. And that they will raise their daughters to follow their same path.
Marriage Mormon Style And The Role Of Women
Monday, Apr 14, 2008, at 08:18 AM
Original Author(s): Susieq#1
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
The Mormon Doctrine of The New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage, Plurality of Wives continues to define a women's role.

Is any of this information in the Temple Preparation Class?

Does anyone fully understand what is going to happen?

Don't we deserve Full Disclosure for Informed Consent and Informed Choice? Are the covenants binding if you have not been given full disclosure? I maintain that they are not.

This post comprises parts of the endowment and the actual marriage ceremony and the DandC 132 references that support the doctrine of eternal marriage or the New and Everlasting Covenant which is Plurality of Wives.

Note: The only part that meets the requirement of the law, that I can find is:

"authority vested in me, I pronounce you ______, and ______, legally and lawfully husband and wife"

Without that wording, the ceremony would not be legally binding in the US.

Married in the temple, to each other, are you sure? Where's the love?

After passing two interviews to get the temple recommend-- (see Temple Recommend Questions here: http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/...,) either on the day of the marriage, or earlier, and going through the Endowment Ceremony: Washing and Anointing ceremony where the Holy Garment of the Priesthood (notice ladies, you wear the same garment of the Holy Priesthood!), is placed on you and covenanting to obey:

The Law of Obedience

The Law of Sacrifice

The Law of the Gospel

The Law of Chastity

The Law of Consecration --which is:

(I am only including this particular one on this post as it has it directly applies to the marriage covenant.)

A couple will now come to the altar. We are instructed to give unto you the Law of Consecration as contained in the book of Doctrine and Covenants, in connection with the Law of the Gospel and the Law of Sacrifice which you have already received.

It is that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

All arise. Each of you bring your right arm to the square. You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Each of you bow your head and say "yes."

Then and only then may you be sealed in the marriage ceremony.

Here is the ceremony.

Sometimes, the officiator will allow an exchange of rings at the end of the ceremony, and a kiss.

(I don't know the current policy on this practice. Maybe someone else does.)

Officiator: Brother ______, [naming groom] and Sister ______, [naming bride] please join hands in the Patriarchal Grip or Sure Sign of the Nail.

Marriage Couple: Joins hands in the "Patriarchal Grip, or Sure Sign of the Nail."This token is given by clasping the right hands, interlocking the little fingers and placing the tip of the forefinger upon the center of the wrist. No clothing should interfere with the contact of the forefinger upon the wrist.

Officiator: Brother ______, do you take Sister ______ by the right hand and receive her unto yourself to be your lawful and wedded wife for time and all eternity, with a covenant and promise that you will observe and keep all the laws, rites, and ordinances pertaining to this Holy Order of Matrimony in the New and Everlasting Covenant, and this you do in the presence of God, angels, and these witnesses of your own free will and choice?

Groom: Yes.

Officiator: Sister ______ do you take brother ______ by the right hand and give yourself to him to be his lawful and wedded wife, and for him to be your lawful and wedded husband, for time and all eternity, with a covenant and promise that you will observe and keep all the laws, rites and ordinances pertaining to this Holy Order of Matrimony in the New and Everlasting Covenant, and this you do in the presence of God, angels, and these witnesses of your own free will and choice?

Bride: Yes.

Officiator: By virtue of the Holy Priesthood and the authority vested in me, I pronounce you ______, and ______, legally and lawfully husband and wife for time and all eternity, and I seal upon you the blessings of the holy resurrection with power to come forth in the morning of the first resurrection clothed in glory, immortality and eternal lives, and I seal upon you the blessings of kingdoms, thrones, principalities, powers, dominions and exaltations, with all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and say unto you: be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth that you may have joy and rejoicing in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

All these blessings, together with all the blessings appertaining unto the New and Everlasting Covenant, I seal upon you by virtue of the Holy Priesthood, through your faithfulness, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.

To make sure one understands exactly what the "New and Everlasting Covenant" is, see: DandC 132

REFERENCE for easy reading: http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501-507.

Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

[INSERT: compare introduction to the 1969 edition of the Book of Mormon.

Here's the 1969 version:

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives.

-------The Prophet's inquiry of the Lord--He is told to prepare himself to receive the new and everlasting covenant--Conditions of this law--The power of the Holy Priesthood instituted by the Lord must be operative in ordinances to be in effect beyond the grave-- Marriage by secular authority is of effect during mortality only--Though the form of marriage should make it appear to be for time and eternity, the ordinance is not valid beyond the grave unless solemnized by the authority of the Holy Priesthood as the Lord directs-- Marriage duly authorized for time and eternity to be attended by surpassing blessings - Essentials for the attainment of the status of godhood -- The meaning of eternal lives--Plurality of wives acceptable only when commanded by the Lord--The sin of adultery--Commandment to Emma Smith, wife of the prophet. http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132

1981 edition:

1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant;

7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth;

15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods;

21-25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives;

26-27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost;

28-39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages;

40-47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven;

48-50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation;

51-57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true;

58-66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

Did you catch it? Celestial Marriage is Plurality of Wives! The Mormon Church has never, ever stopped practicing their law that applies to polygamy or plurality of wives as that is what Celestial Marriage (The New and Everlasting Covenant) is! It is clearly an eternal principle for the Celestial Kingdom.

Did you notice that the marriage sealing ceremony not only continues the practice of plurality of wives and, because of the covenant of the Law of Consecration, married you to the church and it's commandments by covenant, not each other?

Investigators BEWARE: Demand full disclosure for informed consent. You won't get it from the Mormon Church, so do your own research. Know what you are doing, and what it really means!

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The Role of Women in the Mormon Church - Motherhood, Her Sexuality and how the Temple Ceremonies of Washing and Anointing Define Her.

WOMEN ACCEPT THEIR ROLE

Women accept their role in Mormonism with a promise that borrows into her heart and is the essence of motherhood - the absolutely belief that they will never loose their children and their family if they comply with the doctrines taught them.

The believe they will have their children for all eternity of they adhere to the Mormon teachings. In fact, to have a child leave the Mormon Church is a personal failure that is to be avoided at all costs, as this is a personal assault on her by the adversary, and she must do everything in her power to keep from loosing her offspring.

She willingly submits to these beliefs even though, to an outsider, they seem to infringe on her independence, her honor and her good sense. Some outsiders, even call it abusive.

Women who are well entrenched and strong believers in Mormonism, often with several generations of Mormonism flowing in their veins, see the accusations of abuse, and lack of independence and freedom of thought from outsiders as silly and false. She absolutely knows she is not abused, not programmed, not brainwashed, and can "think for herself."

What she does not realize is that she is restricted by the doctrines and what she considers "thinking for herself" means she thinks long and hard and prays long and hard to obtain a "witness of the spirit" so she is "worthy" to obtain eternal life. A mother is often willing to go to any length to save, protect, and keep her family.

The teachings of the Mormon Church make it clear that the Holy Priesthood of God is never to be questioned. To question a male Priesthood holder, especially the top leadership is tantamount to questioning God. Even to have doubts is unacceptable. Doubts are never to be spoken or written. They are to be kept inside. (That is one of the reasons, in my observation that anger brews and explodes when people finally get out from under the thumb of Mormonism's control.)

I have heard Mormon women admit that they did not like or understand their position in the Mormon Church but it was how "Heavenly Father wanted it" and they go along with it thinking it is the only right thing to do. So, they defer to the priesthood, (some more so than others) thinking they are laying up treasures in heaven. The woman's place is foremost and always to follow and support the priesthood in all things.

Their role is clearly defined in Mormonism's in it's doctrine and is one area that has not changed and will never changed.

Their role is defined in Doctrine and Covenants 132, as part of the official doctrine and even though polygamy or plurality of wives is not lived outright (technically it is still lived according to the marriage ceremony --exact wording from DandC 132 in the temple.)

She wears the same garment day and night of the Holy Priesthood of God, and covenanted to be a priestess to her husband in the Celestial Kingdom, but that is as far as her authority or equality goes. It teaches them that Heavenly Father meant for them to be the mothers, and for the men to officiate in the Priesthood.

The temple rituals and covenants (called Endowments) do not make her equal to her husband. She is to be a priestess to her husband who will rule over her in righteousness! The message is clear. She is taught from a young age, beginning with a blessing when she is just a few weeks old to give her a name, that she is to go to the temple and be married for "all eternity."

There is a lot of lip service given to the notion that they are equal, but every woman knows that only applies in certain areas. They might share equal chores in the home, or have equal input on decisions in the home, but when it comes to the church hierarchy and how the Priesthood functions, they might be listened to, but their recommendations can be and are overruled on the whim of the leaders as they are the representatives of the Lord. What the priesthood leaders say is accepted as they claim inspiration given to them as the Lord's mouthpiece.

She may be the "neck" that moves the "head" in many areas, but not when it comes to officiating in the Priesthood. Her role is to support and remind and see that he fulfills his Priesthood functions but not to question or direct it. After all, her eternal place with her children and family is dependent on him honoring the Priesthood.

WOMEN HAVE NO PLACE IN THE HIERARCHY

Men overrule women.

Women have no authority in the church and no place in the hierarchy and only serve under the men. If the men in charge do not like something, the women are told to do things differently. If they do not agree, they are considered: "prideful" think they "own" a calling, and not obedient to the Priesthood. All of which is unacceptable.

Her agency, the doctrine of freedom to choose between good and evil, (free agency is n a misnomer and not part of the teachings) is held in a very small box of do's and do not's, all determined by how the men interpret the scriptures how they supervise the organizations, and how they make assignments-- "callings" and give "counsel."

There is a "vote" in their Sacrament Meetings, but it means one is promising to support the member in their calling. Dissent is not accepted either. The vote is only intended to obtain the support of the members by raising their hand to the square.

The men's "inspiration" overrules anything a woman says or claims as an answer to her prayers.

All assignments or "callings" as they are called have a right to "inspiration" and one is expected to "magnify their calling." However, it is important to note that "inspiration" is only given for their respective "callings." No one is entitled to any "inspiration" or direction from the Lord about anything other than the "calling" they currently hold.

There is also no need for the Priesthood brethren to tell the truth as they have the privilege of "Lying for the Lord" a well understood underlying concept in Mormonism taught in their scriptures.

All of Mormonism is governed by men with very little input from the women, who are predominately used to follow orders - with a dust pan and broom to clean up after the brethren - in more ways than one!

The typical Mormon Priesthood leader looses respect for a female who uses her own mind, challenges them, or corrects them. They are threatened by the misuse of her position as it means he is not doing his job as a Priesthood leader and he is then expected to call her to repentance and make sure she changes her ways and never does it again.

Women are accepted in the Mormon Church and loved and respected and admired only if they comply with the role they are given. Once they are seen as disobedient, rebellious, take a different interpretation than the official one, explain themselves, they are no longer considered "worthy," and can loose everything, including their children, especially in divorce.

If the husband is "worthy" which generally means that he lives all the commandments, in particular: the Word of Wisdom, and pays tithing and can answer the temple recommend questions in the affirmative,(or correctly as they are asked) in the eyes of the Mormon Church it is acceptable for him to leave his "unworthy" wife and take her children away. The worthy Priesthood holder is entitled to a worthy wife.

Once the woman is accused of not being "chaste" she is no longer "worthy." Never mind that the man might be having an affair, or has abused his own children, or is a pedophile. It is the woman's fault these things happened. It is not uncommon for a Relief Society President for instance, to tell a woman to "be a better wife" so her husband won't beat her or stray.

Women in Mormonism are also defined by their sexuality.

The underlying message about sexuality is that you will give your life to keep from being raped. The worthy, honorable thing to do, if sexually assaulted, is to fight to the death to preserve your vagina from dishonorable intrusion. Often, an honorable Mormon father teaches his daughters that he would rather see her dead than violated. It is worth noting, however, that this not a concept solely held by Mormonism.

Mormonism has found the key to controlling generations of it's members. It is a typical ploy of religiosity since time began; control the sexuality of the female and control of the family for generations to come is maintained. This also solidifies the influx of money.

Women are also taught that they control "the spirit" of the home. It goes along with the old adage if "mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" and Mormonism takes this a step further imprinting and programming young females from birth that they are to be sweet and worthy to have "the spirit" with them at all times. Of course, this is solidified at age eight with baptism, when they are commanded to receive the Holy Ghost as their constant companion and continues with the rest of the "ordinances."

Women in Mormonism are also defined by their attire.

Their whole wardrobe and their sense of their bodies is determined by the temple garment that is to be worn next to the skin as a protection and placed on her body in a ritual in the temple. It is also seen as a protection against her sexuality being defiled or assaulted in any way. She is told she is to remain chaste and worthy in thought and deed with the temple garment a constant, even Mosaic reminder that she is a daughter of Heavenly Father and this is what is expected of her. Again her sexuality is given a place before her life.

The temple garment, with it's Masonic markings is seen as holy and sacred and is never to be put on the floor or abused in any manner. In fact, discarding of used, and worn garments requires a further ritual as the markings are to be cut out and burned. Then, and only then, can the remaining material (now devoid of their sacred element) be used as rags to clean the floor, or wash the car.

Once dressed in the Holy Garment of the Priesthood, (worn day and and night)- an interesting title, as she has no rank in the priesthood or any right to officiate, only as a servant - she then must make her attire comply with it's restrictions.

That means, every part of her body that is covered by the garment must be covered - modestly. Because the garment comes to the lower thigh or knee, and has a cap sleeve, and is designed to fall several inches above her natural bra line, she is now confined to buying (or in many cases - making) clothing that covers her underwear. She has now become subservient to Heavenly Father - her God, who controls her (and men also) by her underwear, day and night.

There is the underlying message that women (and men) behave according to the clothing they are wearing, so the subtle indoctrinated, imprinted script says that the woman in Mormonism is wearing a holy-sacred reminder to dress modestly, and act accordingly and worthy of the blessings promised her.

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Temple ceremonies -- define the woman's role

The following is how the Washing and Anointing Ceremony was carried out during the times I attended the temple from 1962 to 1990 when it was changed. I have written extensively about these rituals prior to the change, (as have many others) and am happy to know that our fellow human beings will no longer be subjected to this ritual.

Now the tunic is sewed up at the sides, and the naked body is no longer touched and anointed with water and oil. Hopefully, we all had a hand in seeing this ritual discontinued in our efforts to "give back" to humanity, especially our Mormon friends and loved ones.

These are some of my memories of the Washing and Anointing Ceremony in the Temple - beginning in 1962.

(All of these rituals are easily accessed on the Internet, also) I have attended nine temples from 1962 to 1995, eight of them in the US and one in Switzerland, doing hundreds of "sessions" as they are called.

You enter a small stall, and sit on a cold marble type slab. The female temple worker doing the washing and anointing stands behind and to the side of you and starts with the top of the head, the forehead, the eyes, nose, mouth, breast, bowels, legs..etc. She has a little spigot she gets water from that drips slowly.

The oil is done in the same fashion. There are promises given, with each part of the body that is washed-dabbed with water and anointed-dabbed with oil. These have to do with promising the female that she will be a priestess to her husband in the Celestial Kingdom if she is faithful to her covenants. Nothing untoward, or of a sexual nature is done, but it is just very, very ethically and culturally out of order. How anyone can equate that to something spiritual still amazes me.

I can still see the rows of tiny, narrow lockers where we completely undressed and donned the sheet-tunic, carrying our long garments into the little cubical where the old lady awaited me. One of the oddest things about the temple is that the lockers have keys, so in the whispered ambiance of the temple, one of the only sounds heard is the soft jingling of the keys attacked with a safety pin to your clothing..

Now back to the tunic used at that time. It is a true tunic - open at the sides and no seams. To walk in and out of the washing and anointing room, most people hold the sheets together.

I can still see, hear and feel and smell those old women assisting us. They reminded me of a grandma dressed in a white uniform, often with false teeth clacking, chewing a breath mint. I could feel her breath and smell the aroma of the mints as she whispered in my ear reaching under the sheet with those warm, sweaty, damp hands sliding over here and over there, anointing me first with dabs of water from head to toe, then going the same thing with oil.

I can still hear the water trickling from the tiny spigot that she put her hands into to begin the ritual of anointing. I can still hear the sing-song monotone of her memorized washing and anointing dialog.

This ritual is not just a tiny tap on an imaginary dot of the skin. Your body is stroked in a 2" to 3" area in a downward motion over specific areas of your body from your head on down to your legs and onto to your toes. You do not know exactly where they will touch you. You only know the general area. It is very uncomfortable as these women are usually seniors-retirement age of 65 to 75 and their head is outside the sheet. They cannot see where they hands are unless they look under the tunic where the sides are open. They open the sheet on the sides to begin.

Imagine a woman's hand under the sheet (for women-man for men) each time they say a body part, making a sliding motion of about 2" to 3" in some areas, with the four fingers of the right hand over the body part -probably trying to be very careful they do not touch the actual breast-nipple area for women, or the pelvic hair-penis-scrotum area for men when they get to the words that correspond with that part of the body.

Sometimes, I had to stifle a giggle as the old woman inadvertently tickled me and I squirmed. I tried to sit really, really still so she would not slide her wet, warm, oily hand anywhere it ought not to be as her face was averted outside the sheet and she could not see where she had her hands.

Sometimes she slid her hands within inches of my breasts and pubic hair as she slid her hands around in her predetermined and well practiced path. I always hated it and I would shudder when she slide those warm, oily hands down my legs onto my feet. Repeating in sing-song monotone, the blessings associated with the rituals.

When she finished she would help me step into my underwear, while still wearing that sheet tunic, adjusting it properly and sending me out into the dressing area where dozens of other women were coming and going. I was often hugged had the feeling she wanted to kiss me, she was so pleased. I still shudder.

The washings and anointing were only required the first time you go to the temple as these ordinances are done in blocks by people who do only those kinds of sessions as proxy for the dead. They are the first part of the Endowment.

After the washing and anointing ceremony, the initiate dresses in all white clothing from neck to wrist to ankle and follows the group of people all dressed the same, into the Endowment session which follows and includes a video and promises-covenants made which, until April 1990, included hand movements signifying ways in which your life could be taken - cutting throat and disembowelment if you divulged certain parts of the Endowment.

Those, fortunately were removed, along with the Five Points of Fellowship at the Veil which required the initiate to stand embraced with a man (unseen and representing the Lord) behind a curtain-sheet - ear to ear, hand to back knee to knee, etc. to review the covenants made earlier in the ceremony - then the curtain would open and you were led in by your hand to the Celestial Room of the Temple.

If you go through the Temple as proxy for any dead relative (what I often refer to as postmortm conversions) you must do the washing and anointing along with it. Years ago, we did the washing and anointing and the endowment session for the same name all in one evening, sometimes doing two sessions for two deceased people.

The part that is unethical and disrespectful, in my experience is that no one tells the new initiate anything ahead of time. You go along and do what dozens of other people are doing. It is very difficult to leave once you get in the temple. It can be done, I know, I have watched people do it, but it is rare. This is group pressure at it's most intense.

Under no other circumstances would anyone even dare to consider that you would strip naked, put on a shield-tunic, as it is called, and carry your underwear and go into a small room alone with someone you do not know while they whisper memorized, ritual dialog, usually with a breath mint in their mouth, then help dress you by helping you put on the regulation temple garment to be worn day and night.

To even suggest this bazaar, outlandish, absurd act is spiritual reeks of a complete lack of common sense and respect.

It is humiliating. I have never been so mortified in my life. It is a flagrant assault on one's self respect and dignity.

The Mormon church has no policy for full disclosure or they would disclose every single thing about their history, including their finances and their temple ceremonies to anyone who investigates or/or joins.

I maintain if these practices were made public, disclosed ahead of time, very few people would be interested in going to any of their temples. I am sure some would, it's tradition and they won't break with tradition.

Originally, I am told, this was a complete washing and anointing, similar to some other religious customs. There is no redeeming value to it. There is nothing spiritual about putting on a tunic, open at the sides, made from a sheet and carrying your regulation underwear into a little room to have your naked body touched by someone you do not know.

This is an obvious invasion of your complete being and done in a setting with a lot of other people so you go along because the rest are doing it, at least the first time.

You are assured by the members and leaders to believe that there is nothing that can harm you so when you feel violated and invaded, you are stuck with the mental gymnastics of trying to make sense of it.

Somehow, you must make a bizarre experience seem spiritual and good. If you don't the implication is that you do not have the right spirit. Surely it is not the church that is doing bad things, it must be me. So it goes on, around and around in circles. Always making you the one that is at fault, never the church.

The arrogance of Mormonism to assume that they had any right to touch anyone's naked body without full disclosure and full permission is out of the realm of common decency. This is the most despicable, horrid, spiritual abuse of another human being imaginable, but it must be done if they are to get your total submission.

This is the final frontier of breaking down boundaries - your naked body! This is about total submission, control, stripping you down and dressing the surprised, new initiate with physical touching under a flimsy tunic then dressing you!

Once that is accomplished, there is nothing you won't do and it does include giving your life if you divulge certain parts of the temple ceremonies. For this privilege you pay 10% + of your income for your life.

Generally, the women that object most vehemently to a husband changing his beliefs, have gone through this ceremony many times, some of them, hundreds of times. This is, in my observation, the crux of the power that motivates a Mormon female to be completely unable to deal with an apostate husband.)

The genius of the temple, especially the washing and anointing and the endowment is to keep the person totally committed, paying tithing and under their control. And it works.

How does the Mormon church get old Mormon men and women to believe it is a sacred ordinance to touch the naked body of strangers under a sheet with little dabs of water then oil while you sit in a small cubicle?

The only way you get people to do this is through extreme religious teachings:programming, conditioning, and trust and no prior specific information. It must be done while a large group of other people are doing the same thing so it is seen as acceptable in the eyes of the Mormon God.

(Note: even though the "naked touching" part is removed, the power of the initiation is still there.)

The unbelievable part is that the church does such a good job of convincing and programming the new converts and new initiate to the notion that this is spiritual, a higher law, you are special, God wants you to do this - that the members go along with it.

They get thousands of members to go to the temple thousands of times over their lifetime to continue this programming and, yes, what some call-brainwashing. They use a tried and true method. They call it "Building Relationships of Trust" or BRT. Get someone to trust you and they will believe anything you say and do anything you ask of them, especially if they are convinced it will guarantee them a place of honor in the Mormon Celestial Kingdom after they die. What we will do in the name of pleasing the Mormon God!

The interesting thing is that once you stop going to church, stop attending any function, stop reading any of their approved literature, you begin to separate and disconnect and break the code. Some call it blatant cult or cultish activities, although very subtle and well designed to subjugate you to them forever.

If a woman wants her place solidified in the after life with her children and family. she must, at all costs, have a husband that is "worthy" and honors the Holy Priesthood, and will, in the resurrection, call her by her "New Name" given her in the temple at her marriage, into the Celestial Kingdom.

Therein lies the power of years of imprinting, and programming by rote repetition, repeated temple attendance, talks from the "mouthpiece of the Lord" (the leaders) etc., and is the impetus for the disconnect when a Mormon woman is faced with an apostate husband.
Discussed The Obligation Of "Full Time Motherhood" With A Returned Missionary Sister
Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008, at 07:11 AM
Original Author(s): Provo Is Boring Hell
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
My sister recently returned from the mission in the Midwest U.S.

We had conversations on politics, vegan/vegetarian lifestyle and religion in the last few days, whenever she has spare time. She found the conversations with me often enlightening.

However, we sort of disagreed on the issue of full-time motherhood.

She thought it absolutely necessary to obey "God's plan" to be full-time mothers from infant to late adolescence. She has a year or two left to complete the bachelor's degree.

I mildly argued with her that young women need to plan ahead by completing the degrees before embarking on marriage for reproduction and rearing. My mother indefinitely suspended her study to complete B.S. degree in Chemical Engineering when she married my father 3 decades ago.

She countered it is God's plan that every devout LDS woman is obliged to carry and raise children as full-time mothers, in deference of education and real-world experience in work.

While I agree that certain mothers are suitable for full-time motherhoods -- if they intend to carry more children while the fathers are the main breadwinners in substantial income to afford savings, grocery, shelter and bills in long-term -- some aspiring mothers should focus on completing higher education and gaining real-world experience in working (that is, not back-breakingly menial but skilled jobs) before deciding to have a number of children as long as economical feasibility allow (or they can disregard that to their financial peril facing poverty, since having as many children as humanly possible is "obeying God's plan").

This reminds of that '87 fireside speech with Ezra Taft Benson titled "To the Mothers of Zion" which can be read at the link below

http://fc.byu.edu/jpages/ee/w_etb87.h...

I find it kind of disturbing that like FLDS, the mainstream LDS church encourages rapid reproduction to "raise the seed" while women's role in the church are somewhat restricted (the exception may be Relief Society, one of the oldest organizations for women in the U.S.) because men are superior and "God-like" expecting complete, total subordination, thereby making women essentially "second class" citizens like American equivalent to misogynistic Saudi law and prerequisite traditional Islam in the regulation of extreme modesty (such as the Taliban as an extreme example).

I haven't been a TBM for over a decade, while my two younger sisters are so thoroughly TBM that they will defer worldly experience in well-rounded education and work ethics just to subscribe to the LDS prophets' decrees that maternity is more important than mind- and energy-stimulating skilled work. And working helps contribute to the society in overall stimulation and prosperity of the municipal, state and national economies -- not just men.

I know daycare may not be an answer and I think that part-time "role rearing" -- swapping between mother and father in parenting children at home and play -- might be a good idea. "Mr. Mom" might seem queer, but it exist.

While I am single, never married and may consider never having children, I am not opposed to full-time motherhood -- only the indoctrination as commanded by the LDS church, mainstream, offshoot (Church of Christ, formerly RLDS) and fundamental, that make devout women unable to think for themselves to examine the philosophical, sociological and psychological rationale of the 2-decades-long life of a full-time motherhood while delaying work ethics and education that allow the opportunity for a rich, fulfilling and satisfactory life in freedom and liberty.

Please note that the statement above is not an endorsement on the merits of Feminism. I actually oppose Feminism to some degree (esp. Militant Feminism). I agree with the right to suffrage for women, equality in salary compensation for the similar performance of skilled jobs, etc. I disagree with the perceived radical attitude of Feminism e.g. abortion on demand and promiscuity to assert the feminist ideologue.
Remembering The ERA
Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 06:55 AM
Original Author(s): Troubled Wife
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
1978... folks were in WA. Dad, stationed at Ft. Lewis.

A guy (from Salt Lake) came and addressed our ward in a special Ward Conference (don't know why it wasn't done on a more massive scale...), and there had been SEVERAL talks about the Church supports the rights of women. But, the ERA was WRONG, EVIL, and you could be excommunicated if you supported the amendment.

Then Sonia Johnson got to be a regular "cuss" word. We young girls were told that she was pure evil, and was a rebel and refused to listen to the Lord. (I didn't even know that she was LDS).

The US seemed to be torn by those people who liked the "status quo" and felt that women's place was in the home, and they should be paid less than a man, because they "just couldn't do as well as a man", and those that believed that a woman was every bit as capable as any man to do most any job.

Back then, you rarely had women being firemen for example, because few women did body building, so few women could could "handle" the fire hoses.

I constantly heard phrases like, "There's a glass cieling for women, and the ERA is going to break it".

I heard the phrase, "Equal pay for Equal Work". There had been SEVERAL studies that showed that women just were NOT getting paid at the same pay rate for the same work as men. Yet, there had already been a law passed in 1963 that if a man and a woman were doing the same job, with the same qualifications to the same specifications, they they are to be paid the same.... (we women STILL do not always get the same pay... there's a BIG discrepancy in many companies)

There was also an issue that women were not allowed to apply for the same jobs as men...especially if it were thought that a woman could not physically do the job...ie: firefighters, police, football....

In the church, we women were being told that the church had always pushed for women's rights. Right from the very beginning, women were to "vote" or sustain their leaders. If they had any objections during a sustaining, they only had to raise their hand in opposition, and they would be heard (what we weren't told is to do so, meant almost sure fire excommunication or disfellowshipment). Utah was one of the FIRST states to pass the woman's sufferage... and to allow women to vote in political elections.

We were also being told that IF the ERA were to be passed, then it would FORCE all women to be drafted into the military (the draft had just ended), babies would be forced into state funded day care facilities and mothers would loose their rights to hold their children and raise their children. If the ERA were passed, we were told, it would end the tradition and the God given Law of Family. We were told that no matter what, women would be FORCED into the workforce, and families wouldn't be able to survive without two sources of incomes (yes, a stay at home mom was still the norm back then). We were told that IF ERA passed, then there would be more divorces because there would be no time for families. The list goes on....

Anyway, I had a history teacher who I really detested. As I look back, I suspect he was a Post-mo, or possibly an Ex-mo. He really taught LOTS of things that my young ears were not ready to hear.... like the Prophet used tithing for profit... got myself suspended for the fight I got myself into for that...

Well, I'm sure it was because he knew what religion I was, and knew that I wouldn't get the whole picture... but, for one of his "lessons" the class read through the entire ERA bill....then we took it apart...

It is VERY SHORT. The church makes too much out of it.....

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/
Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.
So, according to the church, IF this bill passed, there's a WHOLE bunch of stuff that would happen, that isn't even mentioned, isn't even implied.

BUT... gaulie darn... the bill didn't pass, yet if McCain gets into office, WOMEN WILL STILL BE DRAFTED into military service... households with out dual incomes are hard to find, there are still MANY, MANY divorces (probably because women got tired of being door mats...), and gosh darn it, fathers now have the right to be able to take off work TOO and care for their newborn, adopted or ill family members!!!!

When I brought home my "copy" of the bill, I was told that it was not true, that I had fallen for Satan's propoganda, and that the bill was really EVIL, because "The Church" said so.

I'm sorry, but I STILL do not believe there is ANYTHING wrong with the legislation. I do NOT see ANYTHING in that bill that would "Force" a mother, or father, to put their children into "state run" care facilities. I see NOTHING in the bill that would FORCE families to have two sources of income (though having both parents in the workforce woud cause economic ramifications to force a dual income to keep up).

Now, if the draft IS brought back, then yes, the first section makes it so women could be drafted.... But, then boys who were only sons, boys who were going to school for basic needs (doctors, lawyers, civil engineers), and boys with any disability (real, mental, or even as stupid as flat feet) wouldn't be drafted... Hell, even Mormon Missionaries were allowed to "defer" their draft. It would be the same with the "girls".

But, back then, if it were discovered that you supported the ERA, be ye man or woman, you were in real danger of church court and excommunication.

Incidentally, I was removed from that history teacher's class.... that was my parent's last straw in dealing with the run-ins we had with him.... Sorry, Mr. Armitage.
I Took My Daughter To Mormon Young Women's New Beginings Last Night
Thursday, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:00 AM
Original Author(s): Chic In The Heart Of Moville
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
She said she wanted to go so I went with her. The new beginings is kind of the kick off for the year, Where they give the theme of the year and plan the year.

Well, the theme is "My future Family" (you know where this is going) and the agenda for the year made me almost walk out and if it wasn't for my daughter I would have. This is their agenda: 1-they are going to learn to Cook. 2-Sew 3-Sort laundry, because that is very important for a young mother to know how to do. 4-learn to get along with others to keep a harmonious home life. 5-learn to garden and grow your own food. 6-Be vitueous woman and keep the family strong in the gospel and so on and so on.......

It was all I could do to just sit there. Alot of the girls gave talks and told us about how they had learned to compromise to keep the piece in the family, most said their main goal was to get married in the temple and start a family. What about education, personal growth, and new experiences. The church is planting clone like thoughts into these girls ages 12 and up and I cant let my daughter be draw into this.

When we got in the car she looked at me and said "I dont think I want to do YW" and I said that was fine. I told her that the church pushes motherhood and marriage but that I would rather her go to college and grow up before marrying and having kids.

We had a few laughs about what they were talking about. My daughter brought up a comment that one girl said about the excitement she felt about learning how to be a good wife and mother. My daughter said "I think I threw up in my mouth a little when she said that". I lost it and we laughed until I had tears coming down my face. At 11 almost 12 she is a great girl.

Don't get me wrong I run my buiness out of my house so I can be with my kids, I cook, clean, garden and do all the so called wife duties, but that is my choice. I believe everyone should be able to choose their own path and not have one crammed down their throat.
Church To Teenage Girls: Better Killed Than Raped
Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM
Original Author(s): N/a
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
“Loss of virtue is too great a price to pay even for the preservation of ones life - better dead clean, than alive unclean. Many is faithful the Latter-day Saint parent who has sent a son or a daughter on a mission or otherwise out into the world with the direction: ‘I would rather have you come back in a pine box with your virtue than return alive without it.’”–Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine (all editions), page 124.

” . . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives. Do not tamper with sin . . . do not permit yourselves to be led into temptation.”–President David O. McKay, quoted in THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS by Spencer W. Kimball

“…There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity – realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world.”–Heber J. Grant, quoted in THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS by Spencer W. Kimball

“Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a moe favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no Voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one’s virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle.”–Spencer W. Kimball, THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS

“The victim must do all in his or her power to stop the abuse. Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed. Otherwise the seeds of guilt will remain and sprout into bitter fruit. Yet no matter what degree of responsibility, from absolutely none to increasing consent, the healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ can provide a complete cure.” - Apostle Richard G. Scott “Healing the Tragic Scars of Abuse,” General Conference, Ensign, May 1992

“Of course, a mature person who willingly consents to sexual relations must share responsibility for the act, even though the other participant was the aggressor. Persons who consciously invite sexual advances also have a share of responsibility for the behavior that follows. But persons who are truly forced into sexual relations are victims and are not guilty of any sexual sin.” - First Presidency Letter to General Authorities, Regional Representatives, and other priesthood leadership, 7 Feb. 1985

Deuteronomy 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
Ruth Unrestored: My Story Of Sexual Abuse And Inability To Heal As A Member Of The LDS Church
Monday, Feb 23, 2009, at 08:30 AM
Original Author(s): Ruth Unrestored
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
It is not easy for me to share, but here is my story in the form of a letter I wrote. As of this posting on Feb. 20, 2009 I have not received a response. My hope in sharing my story is that it can somehow be of comfort to other victims in knowing that they are not alone. Ultimately, I believe victims of sexual abuse need healing messages not shaming or damning principles, regardless of their religion. Personally, I'd like the issues in my letter addressed by the current First Presidency of the LDS church for myself and other LDS victims of sexual abuse to feel clean and worthy of being alive.

December 16, 2008

Elder Richard G. Scott
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Salt Lake City, UT 84150

RE: “To Heal the Shattering Consequences of Abuse”

Dear Elder Scott:

I have met with my Stake President B. and together we met with our area authority, President H. I am writing to you because Pres. H. referred me to your Ensign article referenced above as my issue involves sexual abuse and unresolved consequences resulting from LDS teachings.

I realize that members are discouraged from writing the apostles, however it has now been 25 years that I have tried to come to terms with an event that happened to me as a teenager and local leaders have never been able to help resolve my conflict. I pray you will take the time to consider what I have to say.

I was taught in church, particularly the Young Women’s program, to be chaste and virtuous and lovely. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; … If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. Moroni 9:9 states that chastity and virtue are most precious above all things.

I was taught that worthy men want and deserve a virgin woman who is clean and pure and chaste. My husband told me of the analogy he was taught in Young Men’s: Would you want a cupcake that has been licked?. I had a similar type Relief Society lesson in my single’s ward where a bowl of Mandamp;M’s was dumped in a trash can and then offered to the class to demonstrate how a woman who has sinned sexually is unclean and undesirable.

As a child I was further taught these lessons at home by my active LDS parents who emphasized that if I was ever in such a circumstance that our Heavenly Father expected me to fight to the death rather than “let” myself be raped. Then one day, barely 17, I awoke after being drugged to being gang raped. I struggled and fought, but it wasn’t to the death. Eventually exhausted and confused I found myself cooperating because fighting back didn’t result in the preferable death, but only in increased violence and pain and fear (torture). I wake up from nightmares as if willing myself “if only I could have fought a little harder” instead of giving up. Maybe if when there was a knife at my throat I should have jerked my neck – would that have been sufficient to kill me? and, if so, would that have redeemed me or would I have been condemned for the greater sin of contributing to murder (of one’s self)?

I have struggled with this and was in counseling for years! I was diagnosed with PTSD and even hospitalized at times. One Bishop eventually told me that I was wrong about the “it would have been better to fight to the death” principle. That helped for a while until I read in The Miracle of Forgiveness:
" . . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives” (Prophet David O. McKay)
"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity -- realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world." (Prophet Heber J. Grant)

Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or TAKEN OR STOLEN IT CAN NEVER BE REGAINED. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. andgt;If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is absolutely no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle." (Prophet Spencer W. Kimball)

This principle is reiterated by Bruce R. McConkie in Mormon Doctrine:
Loss of virtue is too great a price to pay even for the preservation of ones life - better dead clean, than alive unclean. Many is the faithful Latter-day Saint parent who has sent a son or a daughter on a mission or otherwise out into the world with the direction: ‘I would rather have you come back in a pine box with your virtue than return alive without it.”

It was hard to battle suicidal thoughts believing that in God’s eyes I shouldn’t be alive and was unclean, that I’d be better dead than alive. How is a woman suppose to ever feel clean and pure and virtuous and desirable and worthy ever again after such an experience when PROPHETS OF GOD have condemned her and clearly said she would be better off dead!? Follow the prophet, follow the prophet … The prophet will not lead us astray. How am I suppose to live and be happy and feel good about myself and raising my children when I shouldn’t even be alive and my parents would rather I be dead! Would you truly rather have your daughter dead than alive if put in such a situation? And if she lived would you want her to live with this shame?

President Kimball has also said “"If he burglarized, he should return to the rightful owner that which was stolen. Perhaps one reason murder is unforgivable is that having taken a life, the murderer cannot restore it. Restitution in full is not possible. Also, having robbed one of virtue, it is impossible to give it back." (General Conference, Ensign, November 1980). This is a prophet saying I am not worthy. I can never be virtuous again!!!!! If this was someone else speaking, perhaps I could dismiss it, but this is a prophet! Not just one prophet, but multiple prophets and general authorities repeating the same message.

President Clark said: 'You young people, may I directly entreat you to be chaste. Please believe me when I say that 'chastity is worth more than life itself. This is the doctrine my parents taught me; it is truth. It is better to die chaste than to live unchaste. The salvation of your very souls is concerned in this. (In Conference Report, Oct. 1938, pp. 137-38). Now, my dear friends, we know there is nothing new in what we have said. These things are time-tested; they are true. To this we testify" (First Presidency Message "We Believe in Being Chaste” By Marion G. Romney)

Your article does nothing to address this counsel. I can find nothing from any prophet since to refute it. How could a prophet contradict what has already been spoken so plainly (yet this is what I long for)? When the prophet speaks it is the same as God speaking and His commandments are the same yesterday, today and forever.

President H.’s advice was to just forget it. If it doesn’t feel good, just forget about it. Blow it up with an atomic bomb! he said. If it was a misguided rogue Bishop or Stake President it would be a lot easier to disregard, but again, these are prophets speaking. The church doesn’t teach us to pick and choose what commandments we will keep. We are expected to Be ye therefore perfect and to keep ALL of God’s commands. With all due respect, it seems like absurd advice–as if it would be okay to disregard the Word of Wisdom or paying tithing or any other gospel principle because it didn’t feel good.

Your talk places so much responsibility on the victim: do your part, sufficient faith, obedience to his teachings, sincere prayer, degree of responsibility from none to increasing consent, forgive, express gratitude to the Lord. “Focus on your responsibility”! My problem is not one of faith or prayer or obedience or forgiveness. I have done those things and I have strived to diligently live the gospel. To say that it is Satan’s influence on me would be to say that the prophets speak evil for it is the words of the prophets that haunt me.

I grew up with President Kimball as my prophet. I loved and adored him. Never could I have imagined the profound heartache and turmoil one of his books would cause in my life. The Miracle of Forgiveness is still used today. I so desperately want for myself and other victims of sexual abuse to be able to believe that not only are we clean but we are worthy of being alive! For this to happen I need this issue to be addressed by those who hold the priesthood keys of a prophet, seer and revelator--those with the same authority as Spencer W. Kimball, David O. McKay, Heber J. Grant and so forth..

Sincerely,

Sister “Ruth Unrestored”
(for “Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained”)

cc: President B.
President Thomas S. Monson
Horrible Young Womens Temple Marriage Scare Tactic "Skit"
Wednesday, Feb 25, 2009, at 08:05 AM
Original Author(s): Fishlips
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
OMG this is horrible. I found it online, it's a Young Women's lesson meant to scare the girls into a temple marriage. Poor girls, I feel so bad for whoever got this lesson and then actually experienced what is really the temple. I haven't been myself thank god but...I've read about it, and it freaks me out. This is just sick:

JULIA: Preparing for bed and starting to dream." I wonder if I'm dating the right kind of boys? Jim is so much fun to be with? I wonder if he is the one for me?" The bed is removed from the stage as the other scene appears.

The dream scene opens with wedding decorations displayed. Four chairs on the right and four chairs on the left of the stage. Prelude music is played until the Bishop takes center stage. Spotlight on him.

BISHOP: "The bride and groom have asked me, Bishop----, to extend to you their thanks for coming to witness their wedding ceremony this day." He looks around and then starts talking as if he is thinking out loud.

BISHOP ON TAPE: "Jim Hansen and Julia Harriet. How fast they have grown. (music starts) It seems as though it was only yesterday that Jim received his first merit badge and Julie graduated from Primary. I can remember when they first started dating. From the stand I noticed Julia watching Jim. Then he would turn to watch her. She would quickly avoid his eyes so he wouldn't suspect she had been watching him. Jim didn't come to church there for quite a while. I was concerned about that. I was happy when Julie started encouraging him to come to church with her. I really should have been more concerned about them dating when it was evident that Jim's attitude toward the church had changed. I didn't realize that it had gotten serious so quickly. I wish Jim would have considered going on a mission, but he didn't get much encouragement along that line." "Julie, I remember your last interview with me before you left the Young Women's program. You told me that someday you wanted a special home just like the one your parents raised you in. Your eyes sparkled when you talked of someday finding an eternal companion, who had the same goals as you, who would take you to the Temple of the Lord. Someone who would honor his priesthood and lead you and your future family in prayer, scripture reading, and family home evening. I tried to discourage you from taking a chance on falling in love with someone who might never have the same eternal goals as you. You assured me that is was just "fun" dating Jim, it wasn't serious and you certainly never intended to marry him. Now you are about to enter into a marriage where the contract between you and your chosen companion will endure only until "death do you part." Why have you made this decision? Have you considered how you are putting your eternal goals in jeopardy? Are you sure you are ready to risk losing so much?"

JIM ON TAPE: Enters the stage and shakes hands with the Bishop. (music on) "Whew... I can't wait to get out of this monkey suit. Just look at all of these people! I guess I should be used to crowds, but somehow it's different when you're playing on the basketball court. I'm sure lucky to be marrying a girl like Julia. She is one special girl and I really do love her. I'll be glad when today is over though. Then she'll be mine and I won't have to waste time going to church every Sunday. Don't take me wrong, Bishop. Going to church is all right if you don't have anything important to do. If I'm going to make it in professional basketball, I have to concentrate on my career. Once I'm at the top, I'll be able to afford all the important things I'd like to give Julia. Boy I'm hot! He wipes his brow. I sure wish she'd hurry! Music and spot light off.

JULIA ON TAPE: Julie comes up the aisle on her father's arm. Her mother, Advisor, and neighbor come in and are seated on chairs. " My wedding day, I can hardly it's here! If anyone would have told me I was getting married before I was nineteen, I would have laughed at them. But, what is a girl supposed to do when she falls in love, especially when that someone is a special person like Jim? Doesn't he look handsome in that suit? Pause I'm so happy, I wish today could last forever. I hope mom and dad aren't too disappointed that we aren't marrying in the temple. I know that after we are married, I can persuade Jim to go with me, to be sealed in the temple. We love each other so much that surely nothing could possibly get in the way. If they knew him the way I do, they wouldn't be worried. There's the bishop. I can't help thinking of the terrific talk we had at my last interview. Pause I hope I've made the right decision. I guess I'm suffering from last minute jitters." Tape, Music, and Spot Light off. Julia is standing by Jim and her father goes and sits by her mother.

BISHOP: "Brothers and Sisters, we meet today to join Jim Hansen and Julia Harriett in marriage. I am glad they have asked me, their Bishop, to marry them. The Lord planned that men and women would find each other and have a happy family relationship. He has said, "Therefore, shall a son leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." As you say your vows today you will be forming a partnership with each other. Now is the time for you to plan a good strong marriage and organize and set your goals for a marriage which will be beautiful and rewarding. Now, if there is no one here who objects, let us proceed with the ceremony."

FATHER ON TAPE: Spotlight, music, and tape on. "Oh Julia, my dear, sweet daughter, I wish I could object. So many times I have tried to take from my own heart the feelings I have about the temple and graft them into your heart. I remember looking at temple pictures with you and driving past the temple saying, "This is where your mother and I were married." I remember that special family home evening we had when you were younger and I asked if I could tell you about your future. You said, " Yes" and I said something like, "Julia, when you get older, you will meet a young man and you'll come home to me and say ''Dad, I met a boy I really like a lot." Then I'll meet him and I'll like him too. Then one day you'll come home and say, "Dad, I don't just like him, I love him, and I want to marry him." and you'll have my blessings. Very early in the morning on the appointed day, I'll come in your room and touch your shoulder and whisper, "Julia, it's time to get up. It's your wedding day." We'll drive through the morning air and park as close as we can to the temple. Once inside we'll all dress in white and go to a room where people get married forever. I'll look at you and think you are the most beautiful daughter in the world, but you won't be looking at me, you'll be looking at him. The room will be peaceful and beautiful. A man of God will be there-one who is ordained to perform that sacred covenant and he will talk to you about your marriage. He'll ask you and your chosen mate to kneel, one on each side of a beautiful altar. As you kneel your hands will join in an eternal clasp. Your wedding ceremony will be performed through the priesthood of God. One that day a partnership will be formed between you, your companion and your Heavenly Father. That partnership will last forever. Oh Julia, how different this marriage is from the one we talked about that night. A man of God is here and he will perform your wedding ceremony, but when he is finished, you'll only be married until this life is over. The story of your unionwill end. Just as your marriage to Jim will come to an end. My dear, sweet Julia, how hard your mother and I have tried to teach you, to show you through our example how important a celestial marriage is, but the decision is yours. How my heart aches. Do you know how much I love you?" Tape, Music, Spotlight off.

MOTHER ON TAPE: Spotlight on mother and tape starts. "Object? Oh Julia, you are my daughter, so precious and dear to me, I love you so much. This is your wedding day, one of the most important days of your life. The decorations are lovely, you look beautiful in your dress, and your friends and family are here. The whole atmosphere is exciting and sweet, but Julia, if you just knew what you are missing. Music starts. The day your father and I went to the temple to be married for time and eternity was one if the most glorious days of our lives-a day we will treasure and hold dear forever. I recall that your grandmother slipped a piece of paper on my pillow the night before my wedding. It said, "Enter the temple as if the floor within were gold; and every wall of jewels; all of wealth untold. As if a choir in robes of fire were singing here. No shout, no rush, only hush... for God is here." Julia from the moment we entered that holy building, the feelings of peace were overpowering. Never before had we felt so united with each other and our Heavenly Father. That glorious day we pledged our eternal love and fidelity each for the other, not just before our friends and loved ones, but in the presence of God and angels. The day we were sealed was the day I really fell in love with your father. I know you sincerely love Jim, but is that enough? If only you would have held out for a temple marriage. We would have given you the support you needed. I love you Julia. The decision is yours."

PLAY SONG "What do you do when the going gets rough and the journey is tough" - Saturday's Warriors

NEIGHBOR ON TAPE: Spotlight and Tape on "Julia, even though I am only your friend and neighbor, I would give anything if I could object to this wedding. Music starts. I have watched as you have grown to a very special young woman. It makes me sad when I see you make the same mistake I did when I got married. I grew up in a strong LDS family like yours, but I wasn't committed to temple marriage. I fell in love with a man much like Jim. I kept telling myself he would change his attitude toward the church once we were married. We had our first baby, Ben. As time went by, things got worse. We weren't a family. We were just three people living together under one roof. Over the years, more babies came, but the arguments over time spent on church things has not stopped. There is great anxiety in not knowing how it will be when we come home from a church meeting. Will it be silence chilled with words not spoken, or a raise of the eyebrows that dismisses the entire subject? Our sweet children can feel the anger, the heartache, and the bitterness. Often they cry because they know things are not as they should be. I love Ben, but my heart aches over the years that have passed because he has not seen fit to take us to the temple. How frightening. How final. How devastating to realize that my marriage, my children, and my family life will end with death, because I failed to follow God's instructions. I wish I had been more committed to all the blessings and promises of a temple marriage. I hope and pray that things will work out better for you." Tape, Music, and Spotlight off.

LAUREL ADVISOR ON TAPE: Spotlight and Tape on. "My mind has been busy playing back bits and pieces of the lessons I gave you when you were in my class. I too, have a great concern for your future happiness. Music starts. Julia, do you remember who you are? You are a daughter of God and because you are His daughter, you have the potential to receive all the glories and blessings that God has promised His children. You are entitled to a queendom. You are heir to the great fortunes of eternal life. What will you do with this prized inheritance? The Lord is very specific and very definite on what he requires of each of us, Julia. The temple endowment is one if the ordinances that is required to enable us to walk back to the presence of our Father in Heaven. Without this endowment we will not be allowed to pass by the angels. You are placing your inheritance in jeopardy, all because a decision was not made and the commitment was not there. Tape, Music, and Spotlight off

PLAY SONG: "Line upon Line, Precept on Precept" (Sat Warriors)

CHILD ON TAPE: Dressed in white. Spotlight-shine on child as she walks down the aisle. "I wish I were here to object. Music starts. A few short years in the future you will be my mother. Your decision to get married in the temple or not affects me too. I am with Heavenly Father now, but one day you will bring my spirit from heaven to live in our home. Julia, will I be born under the covenant? Will you teach me and prepare me to return to my Heavenly Father? Will I know the joy and happiness of belonging to an eternal family? I cannot make these decisions for myself for I am not yet born. You are making them for me for someday you will be my mother."

PLAY SONG: "I am a child of God" Child turns and walks back down aisle. Tape, Music, Spotlight off.

Music starts as Spotlight picks up future husband coming down the aisle.

FUTURE HUSBAND ON TAPE: "Julia, if you would only wait. Music starts. In a few short months, I will return from my mission and you and I will meet. If you will wait, the time will come when you will go to your dad and tell him you have met a boy you really like a lot. Then he'll meet me and he'll like me too. Our friendship will blossom and one night I will tell you that I love you and you will know that you love me too. I will ask you to be my companion, Julia, on this earth and forever as we continue into eternity. On the appointed day you and I will enter the temple of the Lord. We'll dress in white and after you have received your endowments we'll go to the room where we will be married forever. It will be so peaceful and beautiful there. A man of God will be there and he will talk to us about marriage. He'll ask you to kneel on one side of the altar and me on the other side. We'll hold hands and I will look at you and know you are the loveliest young woman in the world. We'll promise to be true to our Father in Heaven and to each other as husband and wife. By the power of the holy priesthood we will be sealed and a partnership will be formed that will bridge death and take us into eternity. When children bless our home we will teach them to walk in the way of the Lord and they will be ours forever. Our home will be blessed with the priesthood. We will have prayer, scriptures, and family home evening in our home. We may or may not become rich in this life, but together we will work toward the riches of eternity. Our circle of love will grow and extend beyond days and years, for in God's eternal plan, life goes on forever and ever. Julia, Julia, will you please wait for me?" Music, and Spotlight off

JULIA: Waking up in bed looking around and stretching. "It isn't true. I'm not really getting married yet. What a wonderful but frightful dream! This dream made me realize that my choice of a husband affects so many more people than myself. No wonder the leaders have cautioned us to be prayerful in our dating."
How To Suffocate A Woman's Soul And Kill Her Dignity
Friday, Mar 6, 2009, at 08:10 AM
Original Author(s): Jacyn
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
Persuade her ...

She was created by a man.

The mother of her spirit is one of a vast eternal harem comprised of millions of "goddesses" who all subject themselves to their male Lord's authority, to whom they are inferior.

The most she can hope for is to become one of a similar Celestial harem.

While God allows his sons to use his power, his daughters are not qualified, not for lack of intelligence or compassion or wisdom or ability, but for lack of physiology.

She must submit to her male priesthood leaders, including her husband, with meekness and without questioning, no matter how stupid and pathetic and wrong they are.

Her soul's entire worth is contained in her physiology, and contingent upon her status as some man's wife and her ability to make babies. Nothing is more important. That is her divine role. Thus, she can't be truly happy doing anything else.

Her feminine body is Satan's tool of temptation. Therefore, she must hide the fact that she is woman, because if men lust after her, it is her fault.

It is her duty to have sex with her husband, even and especially when he's treating her like crap. She must always be unselfish and put his needs ahead of her own.

She is not Annie, or Sarah, or Mary, or Courtney. She is "the wife," Mrs. Peter Priesthood.

If her children make mistakes, it's because she is a bad mother.

Her approved heroines and role models come from a very short list, and include a woman who caused the fall of all mankind (Eve), a woman who snuck into a man's bed so he would be forced to marry her (Ruth), and a woman chosen solely for her physical beauty who risked her life by simply talking to her husband so she could plead for the lives of her people (Esther). Her ultimate heroine is a virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins, who was selected to be the mother of a God. Thus, her ultimate heroine is placed high above her to emphasize her inadequacy.

Women who don't conform to the foregoing June Cleaver-like philosophies of men are harlots, temptresses, murderers, and incestuous -- preferring to have sex with their own intoxicated fathers than to be childless.

If she pursues here own desires, pleasures and dreams, she is selfish.

She must bow her head and say, "Yes."
Prophets' Irresponsible Advice To Marry Young And Have Children Regardless Of Educational Status
Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009, at 08:40 AM
Original Author(s): Bennion
Topic: WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2   -Link To MC Article-
From the Pamphlet, "To the Mothers in Zion"

"Young mothers and fathers, with all my heart I counsel you not to postpone having your children, being co-creators with our Father in heaven.

Do not use the reasoning of the world, such as, "We'll wait until we can better afford having children, until we are more secure, until John has completed his education, until he has a better paying job, until we have a larger home, until we've obtained a few of the material conveniences," and on and on.

This is the reasoning of the world and is not pleasing in the sight of God. Mothers who enjoy good health, have your children and have them early. And, husbands, always be considerate of your wives in the bearing children.

Do not curtail the number of your children for personal or selfish reasons. Material possessions, social convenience, and so-called professional advantages are nothing compared to a righteous posterity. In the eternal perspective, children--not possessions, not position, not prestige--are our greatest jewels."

http://fc.byu.edu/jpages/ee/w_etb87.htm

I remember this advice well from my teenage and young adult days in TSCC. It was drilled into us by our local ward and stake leaders also. This ill begotten advice has caused and continues to cause more damage than the Mormon leadership would like to admit.

Although many people rush to TSCC's defense and say that this is no longer taught the sad fact is that many leaders within Mormonism still believe this tripe wholeheartedly. Many of these pamphlets are still floating around and there are more than enough self-proclaimed leaders in the Mormon church that are all to willing to manipulate and pressure others.
 
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  · MORMON HANDCARTS (12)
  · MORMON INTERPRETER (4)
  · MORMON MARRIAGE EXCLUSIONS (1)
  · MORMON MEMBERSHIP (38)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 3 (23)
  · MORMON NEWSROOM (5)
  · MORMON POLITICAL ISSUES (5)
  · MORMON RACISM (18)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONIES (38)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CHANGES (15)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 3 (24)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 4 (42)
  · MORMON VISITOR CENTERS (10)
  · MORMON WARDS AND STAKE CENTERS (1)
  · MORMONTHINK (13)
  · MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE (21)
  · MURPHY TRANSCRIPT (1)
  · NATALIE R. COLLINS (11)
  · NAUVOO (3)
  · NAUVOO EXPOSITOR (2)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL - SECTION 1 (1)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL INSTITUTE (1)
  · NEIL L. ANDERSEN - SECTION 1 (3)
  · NEW ORDER MORMON (8)
  · OBEDIENCE - PAY, PRAY, OBEY (15)
  · OBJECT LESSONS (15)
  · OLIVER COWDREY (6)
  · ORRIN HATCH (10)
  · PARLEY P. PRATT (11)
  · PATRIARCHAL BLESSING (5)
  · PAUL H. DUNN (5)
  · PBS DOCUMENTARY THE MORMONS (20)
  · PERSECUTION (9)
  · PIONEER DAY (3)
  · PLAN OF SALVATION (5)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 1 (22)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 2 (23)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 3 (15)
  · PRIESTHOOD BLESSINGS (1)
  · PRIESTHOOD EXECUTIVE MEETING (0)
  · PRIMARY (1)
  · PROCLAMATIONS (1)
  · PROPOSITION 8 (21)
  · PROPOSITION 8 COMMENTS (11)
  · QUENTIN L. COOK (11)
  · RELIEF SOCIETY (14)
  · RESIGNATION PROCESS (28)
  · RICHARD E. TURLEY, JR. (6)
  · RICHARD G. HINCKLEY (2)
  · RICHARD G. SCOTT (7)
  · RICHARD LYMAN BUSHMAN (11)
  · ROBERT D. HALES (5)
  · ROBERT L. MILLET (7)
  · RODNEY L. MELDRUM (15)
  · ROYAL SKOUSEN (2)
  · RUNTU'S RINCON (78)
  · RUSSELL M. NELSON (14)
  · SACRAMENT MEETING (11)
  · SALT LAKE TRIBUNE (1)
  · SCOTT D. WHITING (1)
  · SCOTT GORDON (5)
  · SEMINARY (5)
  · SERVICE AND CHARITY (24)
  · SHERI L. DEW (3)
  · SHIELDS RESEARCH - MORMON APOLOGETICS (4)
  · SIDNEY RIGDON (7)
  · SIMON SOUTHERTON (34)
  · SPAULDING MANUSCRIPT (8)
  · SPENCER W. KIMBALL (12)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 1 (18)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 10 (17)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 11 (15)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 12 (19)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 13 (21)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 14 (17)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 15 (12)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 2 (21)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 3 (18)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 4 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 5 (22)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 6 (19)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 7 (15)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 8 (13)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 9 (19)
  · STORIES - SECTION 1 (1)
  · SUNSTONE FOUNDATION (2)
  · SURVEILLANCE (SCMC) (12)
  · TAD R. CALLISTER (3)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 3 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 4 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 5 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 6 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 7 (9)
  · TALKS - SECTION 1 (1)
  · TEMPLE WEDDINGS (6)
  · TEMPLES - NAMES (1)
  · TERRYL GIVENS (1)
  · THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE (1)
  · THE SINGLE WARDS (5)
  · THE WORLD TABLE (3)
  · THOMAS PHILLIPS (18)
  · THOMAS S. MONSON (33)
  · TIME (4)
  · TITHING - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 3 (13)
  · UGO PEREGO (5)
  · UK COURTS (7)
  · UNNANOUNCED, UNINVITED AND UNWELCOME (36)
  · UTAH LIGHTHOUSE MINISTRY (3)
  · VALERIE HUDSON (3)
  · VAN HALE (16)
  · VAUGHN J. FEATHERSTONE (1)
  · VIDEOS (30)
  · WARD CLEANING (4)
  · WARREN SNOW (1)
  · WELFARE - SECTION 1 (0)
  · WENDY L. WATSON (7)
  · WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME (11)
  · WILFORD WOODRUFF (6)
  · WILLIAM HAMBLIN (11)
  · WILLIAM LAW (1)
  · WILLIAM SCHRYVER (5)
  · WILLIAM WINES PHELPS (3)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2 (25)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 3 (37)
  · WORD OF WISDOM (7)
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